Carl Spackler

Two things wrong with that sentence. First, not ever wanting to be "in that position" is saying you'll always be fine with whatever management is willing to give. That's fine if you believe that, but then there's no point in sending union dues in to ANY union. Second, you don't vote to strike to prove your a badass. None of your predecessors ever did it for that reason. They did it so people like you who weren't even born yet would be able to enjoy a fullfilling and lucrative career like they did. Although your sentence was short, it was amazingly candy-assed.

They would have gotten bad. It's one of the reasons you have a union. You have it for a balance of power. Managements have to add this to the equation when deciding how much money and benefits to withhold from the people who create the revenue.

Because the company's success is the single major factor NMB uses in determing whether a union's demands are "reasonable" or not. NMB has no issue whatsoever with a union attempting to lead the industry if their company has the possibility of paying it. You can't attempt to lead the industry by a huge margin, but you can certainly ask to lead it. DALPA is not doing that. Instead, DALPA is using incoherent reasons to remove SWA, FDX, UPS and our direct foreign competitors from the comparison equations in order to claim we're leading the industry.

The NMB would completely back an attempt by Delta pilots to lead the industry by a modest margin in pay and work rules. There is no question about that given our work and concessions to bring Delta where it is financially. But DALPA isn't even attempting that. DALPA is actually agreeing with Anderson who states he only wants to pay "industry standards."

No union would sell a "quick release to force the company to pony up". DPA has never said any such thing. You and the ALPA apologists use this kind of hyperbole (that only you are saying), then trying to put that very hyperbole in the mouths of DPA...even though DPA has never even intimated such a thing.

My mileage does vary. You're willing to take a little at a time, even though bankruptcy laws allow a management team to take a HUGE CHUNK all in one bite. That's a recipe for never recovering.

This has nothing to do with Warren Buffett or anyone else's claim of knowing the "time value of money." This is about allowing folks like you an excuse to somehow hold your head up high while cowering to whatever management is already willing to give. ALPA provides you that methodology to pretend you have courage. As long as you'll always be happy getting half taken away, then recovering it all slowly over the lifetime of a career, you'll never understand what others like me believe in.

Carl

tsquare

You mean like having nothing to lose? You have a (basically) full defined benefit plan, are at the top of the food chain with little likelihood of being bumped off of your perch? You've been there a long time, so you've had a great opportunity to fill your personal accounts.

Yeah, I'll say it.

It's easy for you to spout to others to throw themselves off the cliff then all you have to do is sail down to the Bahamas and clip coupons for the rest of your life. And if you are NOT in that position, you are more financially irresponsible than I thought.

YOUR hyperbole is to use phrases like "cowering to whatever management is willing to give". You want to burn down the house, and sound almost eager to do so. I don't care to have you or guys with your mindset in charge. It's that simple. But if it happens, it happens, and I will rag on you every single day until you deliver on what you promise. THAT is my promise to you.

CVG767A

I haven't been following tha DPA drive; sorry if this has already been covered on this thread or elsewhere.

Once again, we're getting close to exchanging openers for Section 6 negotiations. Is DPA going to call for a vote? It seems like last I read, DPA had nearly enough cards. What's the latest?

One way or another, I'd like this to be resolved soon.

Carl Spackler

You'd have a point if it weren't for the fact that when I voted to strike (and then struck), I had no vested pension and was not at the top of the food chain. Again, you're talking out of your backside.

See above.

OK, that was a little hyperbolic, but you really sound like a complete candyass.

Where did I ever say anything close to that?

Oh, you already know I never said anything of the sort. Are you auditioning to be part of the new Secret Police?

One person, one vote.

I would expect nothing less.

Carl

Carl Spackler

The comments of "Section 6 openers are right around the corner" were happening a year ago.

For this reason alone, we can never decertify ALPA.

Carl

CVG767A

It seems like DPA having enough cards to call for a vote has been "right around the corner" for a while.

Carl Spackler

We do seem to be stuck right at the 50% point. We really need another 5 to 10% to be certain of winning. If we lose, you can't have another vote for 2 years per law. That's why we really need to be sure we'll win.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Nice little tidbit from another thread. More proof of ALPA's legal and negotiating prowess from the "best and brightest."

Carl

Dorfman

Carl,

This is a bit disingenuous on your part, to say the least. You are one of the first ones to say that ALPA always takes the first offer and we should send it back to the company. Well that is what AT pilots did. Now somehow it is ALPAs fault that SWA didn't crumble when they were told no.

You can't have it both ways.

tsquare

So until then you will ensure that you keep the pilot group divided with your propaganda. nice.