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10-31-2013, 12:41 PM

#7751

tsquare

No longer cares

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Drank

As long as you've got yours.

Has nothing to do with me having mine. Look dude, I asked a simple question, trying to ascertain how much of a problem it is you go on the attack. KMA.

10-31-2013, 12:53 PM

#7752

Seaslap8

Gets Weekends Off

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

D oesn't

P lease

A nderson

Carl

I'm curious, why is that do you think?

10-31-2013, 12:59 PM

#7753

tsquare

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Originally Posted by Seaslap8

I'm curious, why is that do you think?

Actually, I don't think Mr Anderson cares one way or the other. While he likes having a union that he can work with, having one he can't won't change any of his plans... The one thing he DOES know is that we have a contract that is valid forever under the RLA. We demand the moon, he says no, and we are APA part 2. Easy breezy, and just business. Carl will have to live with none of the fallout either.

10-31-2013, 01:35 PM

#7754

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by tsquare

Fixed your post.

While this is true, the how to get there is the crux of the difference of opinion. We all know that. DPA has a plan to just say no until we get it. I will be happy to take a small bite of the apple each time until we get there. Their plan worked awesomely at AMR. Small bites in each contract got SWA to where they are now.

As you well know, DPA has never said anything even remotely close to this. Not verbally or in writing. Anywhere.

We all know the Secret Police/Special Committee doesn't care about this fact, because the classic left-wing Saul Alinsky style of politics is to just keep throwing out what you know to be false.

If this kind of stuff is all you and your Alinsky ilk have tsquare, we DPA members are in good shape.

Carl

10-31-2013, 01:43 PM

#7755

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaslap8

I'm curious, why is that do you think?

Step one is to understand that it is a fact. It has been demonstrated over and over again as Delta management has obstructed any DPA effort to the maximum extent allowed to them by law.

Now, why does DPA displease Anderson? Because in Lee Moak's ALPA, he has found a "new style" union. Translated into English, that means saving money on communications by using the union to communicate company points of view, and negotiating on the same side of the table. The thought of actually having an opponent on the other side of the bargaining table is a clear cost increase to management...and therein lies Richard's opposition to anything other than ALPA.

Carl

10-31-2013, 01:46 PM

#7756

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by tsquare

Typical insipid response.

Just quoting your own posts tsquare. If you didn't like your words of guaranteeing the success of using your Delta uniform to pick up women at third world hotel lobbies, send a note to the mods to delete your post.

Carl

10-31-2013, 01:51 PM

#7757

Elmer Fudd

GAME ON!!!!

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DPA is SOL without the DAL Hangar Talk web site.

10-31-2013, 01:51 PM

#7758

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tsquare

Actually, I don't think Mr Anderson cares one way or the other. While he likes having a union that he can work with, having one he can't won't change any of his plans... The one thing he DOES know is that we have a contract that is valid forever under the RLA. We demand the moon, he says no, and we are APA part 2. Easy breezy, and just business. Carl will have to live with none of the fallout either.

It is this falsehood that ALPA is using as the excuse to never fight management on anything. Blame the RLA and focus on the APA's mistake with American, while never mentioning Spirit's release to strike. ALPA does this as a cost saving effort. Strikes cost money, and ALPA is a little tight on that right now with all the lawsuits they've lost and those losses that are upcoming. Their best business case is to take in the greatest number of dues dollars, and never send out any of it on a strike or even a pre-strike effort. For ALPA, it's not about representing their pilot members, it's simply a cost/benefit analysis on any effort to fight a management team anymore. The RLA is their perfect false argument.

Carl

10-31-2013, 01:57 PM

#7759

Bucking Bar

Can't abide NAI

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaslap8

I'm curious, why is that do you think?

10-31-2013, 04:12 PM

#7760

DAL 88 Driver

At home on the maddog!

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Originally Posted by Erdude32

I could careless about name calling. We need 23% to get back to where Delta Pilots were compensated 13 years ago.

C2K Pay Rates Photo by acl65pilot | Photobucket

Slight correction: We need 23% to get back to the actual dollar pay rates Delta pilots were compensated in 2004 before we took the 42% cumulative pay cut.

To get back to the actual buying power our pay rates gave us in 2004, we need 51% today or 48% in 2015 at the end of this current contract.

Or as Larry The Cable Guy might say, "4-8-3-3 ain't gonna git er done."