Carl Spackler

It's 50%+1 of the active list. If they get the 550 renewals, 5,400 cards will be well over what they need to file for an election. Once they file and the NMB allows the election, we'll need 50%+1 of all the pilots who vote...not 50% of the active pilots.

Carl

Bucking Bar

That is a point. We have lost a statistically significant portion of our list since the merger.

The real risk for ALPA will be the next merger. The continuation of displacements and stagnation has made the lower third of the list disgruntled. Throw Alaska airlines in on top of them and the fuse would be lit.

In a 717'ish "hey, look over here" ... Hawaiian would be cheap, easy to merge and hold out promises of all gain, no pain.

(shame it's not raining in this picture like it is over our 3rd of July (junior loser) Fireworks display)

scambo1

Surely Bar, there are Russian babes in tinfoil hats with better under boob than that one.

Carl Spackler

Another statistical loss we've endured is the last 200ish guys that took the latest early out. Almost every one was a fNWA wide body guy, and almost every one of those were DPA supporters. Their active DPA cards had to be thrown out when they retired.

I don't think you're meaning to do this, but you've kind of insulted most DPA supporters that I know. You're making it sound like this is an anger based and emotional decision...which I know is a major DALPA talking point. The drive for an independent union has nothing to do with the latest rounds of displacements or "lighting fuses". We had over 5,000 DPA cards before this latest realization that we're still shrinking.

The independent union drive is mostly about the behavior of DALPA/ALPA. DPA wouldn't have a single card if ALPA/DALPA was behaving like a union looking out for the jobs of those they represent. When ALPA signs documents without our guys present, actively outsources jobs, redefines permitted flying (and DALPA says nothing), that's the trigger to this. ALPA/DALPA's actions haven't lit a fuse, their actions have sealed their fate.

Carl

alfaromeo

Carl Spackler

It's customary to list your source for charts...unless you've just made it up. Again.

Carl

alfaromeo

Bid monitor reports. Dalpa.com > Committees > Contract Administration > Bid Monitor Reports. 2008 numbers were from staffing numbers agreed to by both sides for merging the seniority lists as it predated the Bid Monitor Reports for the fNWA pilots. Below are the exact numbers used to merge the two lists together. Note the 4 different groupings of pilots that equated to the four groupings used by the Arbitration Panel. Add up the totals in each grouping and compare it to the arbitration award. The only number that doesn't match is the fNWA narrow body FO grouping because that number was adjusted for the Pull and Plug.

Carl Spackler

Numbers don't add up. From chart on left I get 10,591. The merged list had over 12,600 pilots. Subtract 1,212 (from chart on right) and that 11,388...not 10,591.

Carl

alfaromeo

You forgot long term sick. Merged list was 12434. Remember the pull and plug adjusted the numbers. Not shown is 173 excess staffing from drawdown in DC-9's, 757's, and A-320's prior to DCC. I added in the Adjusted Crew Count that was used for staffing ratios on the award. The Adjusted Crew Count took the 610 and 602 and spread them out amongst the various aircraft. Finally, some pilots retired prior to list build, NW has an early out program in place as part of the Furlough Mitigation Letter.

Pineapple Guy

Thanks for clarifying that misinformation, Alfa.