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Old 10-10-2012, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mvndc10
Yea ALPA has been such a winner.....

I would love to talk to just One ALPA Pilot that thinks ALPA is doing a good job........

When ALPA is gone I think most Pilots will see what a joke they really were....
I guess your world is strictly black and white. Must be nice....

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Just a few off the top of my head.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:51 AM
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Yes, the way I read it is they're now relying on ALPA collapsing due to a TWA award settlement. That's how they'll finally succeed.

I can't imagine Caplinger and the gang making a strategic error.

To dispel all rumors about our resolve, DPA formally declares that we will end our campaign for independent representation upon reaching the successful conclusion of our representation election to be conducted by the National Mediation Board OR upon reaching the final resolution of the TWA Lawsuit against ALPA, whichever comes first!
I saw the email and went "oh, thank goodness, some sense has finally come over Caplinger."

I guess not.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
I guess your world is strictly black and white. Must be nice....

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Just a few off the top of my head.
1) Took years and now that dues money is going towards letting flight attendants in

2) FFDOs haven't done anything except shot a couple holes in their own airplanes

3) Still not in effect and I'd put that more in a "blood for regs" than ALPA's doing category

4) There have been a lot of international ventures and codeshares signed off by ALPA
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:32 PM
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1) Took years and now that dues money is going towards letting flight attendants in

2) FFDOs haven't done anything except shot a couple holes in their own airplanes

3) Still not in effect and I'd put that more in a "blood for regs" than ALPA's doing category

4) There have been a lot of international ventures and codeshares signed off by ALPA
When you want to have an ACTUAL intellectual discussion and not just reply with an emotional nonfactual post, let me know.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
When you want to have an ACTUAL intellectual discussion and not just reply with an emotional nonfactual post, let me know.
On FT/DT he is correct. It took a wreck and 51 dead people that weren't really even caused by fatigued to cause the process to get going, too.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mvndc10
Yea ALPA has been such a winner.....

I would love to talk to just One ALPA Pilot that thinks ALPA is doing a good job........

When ALPA is gone I think most Pilots will see what a joke they really were....
I'm an ALPA pilot who thinks ALPA is doing a good job.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
On FT/DT he is correct. It took a wreck and 51 dead people that weren't really even caused by fatigued to cause the process to get going, too.
No he's not. Last I checked ALPA is not responsible for creating FAR's or mandating legislation. They are responsible for helping to craft that legislation/FAR's. Let's just leave it up to A4A and lobbyists to figure it out. I'm SURE they have OUR best interests in mind.
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No he's not. Last I checked ALPA is not responsible for creating FAR's or mandating legislation. They are responsible for helping to craft that legislation/FAR's. Let's just leave it up to A4A and lobbyists to figure it out. I'm SURE they have OUR best interests in mind.
read my post. That would have never happened without the Colgan wreck. I didn't say they didn't participate in it. It would not have happened without that Dash-8 smacking into a house, though.
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:34 AM
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I am an ALPA pilot and I think ALPA does a good job.
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mvndc10
Yea ALPA has been such a winner.....

I would love to talk to just One ALPA Pilot that thinks ALPA is doing a good job........

When ALPA is gone I think most Pilots will see what a joke they really were....
Your statement shows how clueless you are about the world we live in and the entire history of the profession and the attacks that continue virtually every day on every aspect of what we do. If we lose ALPA who is going to be your voice in the world? CAPA? They are a joke and don't spend enough money to buy a rookie Congressmen. Most of the time they don't even get into the room when important things are happening let alone a seat at the table. If ALPA goes away here is what you can look forward to in the next 5 years.
Jumpseat gone, It took a incredible amount of hard work on ALPA's part to get it back after 911. TSA wants it gone.
KCM will be gone. Another TSA hate.
Drug testing will go to the cheap needle blood test with no split samples like the original plan.
Non Rev travel and Jumpseat will be taxed as imputed income like almost ever other perks in business. It will kill commuting completely. Pack your bags and move every time marketing gets a whim!
All restrictions on foreign ownership will end. Cheap foreign airlines will be allowed to fly and carry passengers in the US. Your may not have a job when its over.
Rest rules will change again to what ATA wanted in the first place. Read their wish list and weep!
Full time cockpit video downlinked to flight ops and the FAA will become standard. Big Brother will be watching!


Those are just a few of hundreds of items ALPA fights every day. They pop up like a wack a mole game. The Non ALPA unions talk big but never put up any money to fight these items. Money talks, bull**** walks. They let ALPA handle it. ALPA wins some and the lose some but much like the CIA you never hear about most of their victories. You never hear about the bizarre legislation some congressman wants to introduce that ALPA manages to kill before it every makes the house floor like alcohol testing you before every leg you fly.
Its been a tough 12 years for airlines and a near perfect storm for management to attack us. I am amazed we have retained what we have you can thank ALPA for a lot of it. Take a national union out of the picture and the end result will leave every pilot weeping.

One last thing to consider is that all of the above does not even get into the issues of safety and the amazing things ALPA has pushed through over the history of this profession. Next time you look down at the TCAS think about it.
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