FIIGMO

This may be a precursor to what the debate will look like after this contract is done. DALPA may be already in a no win situation.....

gloopy

You mean like "we couldn't wait for the mushroom cloud to give up scope, we had to do something now!"?

Bucking Bar

Who wrote the DPA's scope article?

Please inform them that GoJets and SkyWest are not in ALPA and thus are not covered by ALPA's Administrative Manual.

It's too late to take the article apart, fact by fact, but it is a very amateurish hack job. Does the DPA have any adult supervision to fact check its publications before they go out the door and embarrass the whole group?

80ktsClamp

Seconded, Bar... quite a few typos in that article.

gloopy

I haven't read the article in question, but does it really make much of a difference when ASA and ExpressJet are ALPA and are owned by non union SkyWest?

Likewise, Trans States has several certificates with multipile unions and DL management has gone "all in" with the lot of them and even spotted them a previously wholly owned.

Both of those holding company/"Air Groups" are desperate to cut our throats and fly larger and larger "RJ's" and above and that's not even mentioning the Republic situation.

Has DALPA met and conferred with the DCI ALPA MEC's yet?

If not, when?
If so, exactly what was said and where do we stand in the process?
Will any DCI MEC know anything about the DALPA scope proposals or negotiations with DL management that the DL line pilots won't be allowed to know?

Jack Bauer

True Skywest of Skywest Inc is not ALPA but Expressjet of Skywest Inc is. Other than than that small error I thought the scenarios presented did a good job of illustrating the conflict of interest ALPA has in reining in scope. What I dont understand is a smart guy like you, who appears to be a bit of a "scope hawk", spending your time pointing out this small error and nitpicking the tree rather than seeing the "forest" in this article. Things that make you go hmmm??!!

FrankCobretti

Jack, poorly written materials make DPA look like amateur hour.

Jack Bauer

You and I disagree whether it was poorly written or not. I do not consider it poorly written. I would rather have one error, lumping Skywest in with Skywest Inc while putting 10,000 candle-watt power halogen bulbs on a HUGE problem that needs to get fixed in order to reign in scope, than the constant spin we get from ALPA. The same ALPA, who with our dues money, pays secretaries to proof and button up their cute reports/magazine. My hell, one of "ALPA's top priorities is laser light usage. When it comes to meaningful agenda....

*crickets*


*tumbleweed*


*dog barks in the distance*

FIIGMO

Jack,

To me details are very important when dealing with such issues as scope and code share! We are in this mess because of such oversights and lack of attention to detail (republic operating cert., AF/KLM code share, SEA de-classification as a hub and ALaska code share.). So i would say yes details are important and DPA is selling themselves as better and superior to DALPA. This certainly is not the product I would expect of a professional organization representing me at the bargaining table. DALPA let small details go and look what happened. A reason I signed the card to explore my options, but although still a supporter of an alternative to ALPA this "minor" oversight of detail makes me think otherwise. If DPA wants to learn from the past and represent us, they should be hyper about attention to detail.

Bucking Bar

We are a union. Ideally, we use the force of our numbers to counter balance and negotiate with management. The "forest" and dare I say the "whole planet" of union representation is strength in numbers.

We should be meeting and conferring on how to improve our profession. We should be meeting and conferring to stop outsourcing. We should be meeting and conferring to improve safety, working conditions and qualifications for entry.

This whole "conflict of interest" crap started when a couple of mainline MECs decided to get in bed with management and outsource the children. The DPA takes a bad idea and amplifies it, deciding that our profession should be divided, structurally ... so that we avoid working together.

Look, I don't fear ALPA National, or the Expressjet MEC. Delta flying has been negotiated by Delta pilots. We negotiate our contract and we live with the results.

The DPA is on the wrong side of this issue. By alleging unsupported, non existent, problems far away the DPA is impotent to fix anything. The problem is local, within our own MEC. The trend is clear. The DPA refuses to participate in our local representative structure. The reason for their ineffectiveness now is the identical reason they will be ineffective if elected in the future.

Once again, I encourage the DPA to forget retribution for perceived injustices by ALPA and remember the real history that it was management and their fellow pilots who thought up "bargaining credits" and sold their jobs. Then focus on replacing those guys with guys who get the concept of unity.

That will be effective change that will help them individually, aid Delta pilots collectively, save our profession and save ALPA.