Carl Spackler

I certainly did.

Carl

DAL 88 Driver

Yeah, as the disease progresses he'll probably be taking in stray kittens.

Rather B Fishin

Well Carl I gotta give credit where credit is due. You certainly are consistent. You were never one to let facts get in the way of your posts.

Who negotiated DAL pilot's C2K?
Who negotiated the LOA #(don't recall) to get Delta pilots a pay raise and equity outside of section 6 by going along with the merger?
Who negotiated (along with NWALPA) a joint PWA that got us gains outside section 6 for playing nice in the merger?
Who negotiated the recent SOT's and LOA's to allow better scheduling and training provisions?
The recent LOA to give FO's NO obligation for OE recovery, who was that?

So the above gains DID NOT increase the company costs??? I guess the company has an insurance policy that pays a pilot to stay at home instead of being available?

Continue to feel free to use terms like "apologist" and such when no such counter terms have been directed at you. I guess attack the messenger when you can't FACTUALLY attack the message is your MO.

Carl Spackler

DALPA. And as I've said earlier, that DALPA is long since gone in favor of this new DALPA that is all about constructive engagement. Now as to who negotiated DAL's C2K contract, that would be the negotiating chairman who is now a strong DPA supporter. Just another fact to get in the way of your consistent ALPA apologies.

DALPA and NWALPA.

DALPA and NWALPA negotiated this PWA that amounts to NOTHING more than annual COLA adjustments to our bankruptcy emergency pay rates.

DALPA. And all I've personally seen is far worse trips with line values below reserve guarantee. If this keeps up, I'll make less money this year than I made last year.

DALPA. That was a good thing. Now if DALPA would stop killing our FO's by turning their backs on the constant outsourcing.

All of what you list (except the COLA pay increases) look like cost neutral items to me. That's DALPA's record. COLA pay adjustments to emergency/bankruptcy rates, then "improvements" that are cost neutral.

Indiscernible blather.

Hilarious! Did you even read your own post? Or any of the many from the DALPA apologists who attack me continuously...while on full flight pay loss? Funny stuff right there.

You ALPA apologists should know. Attacking messengers is all you've done from the beginning of our in-house union movement. I predicted exactly this from the very beginning of this thread. You and the other self-interested apologists have not disappointed.

Carl

gloopy

Or let's see how much they would "grow" (their "mainline" pilot list) if they were to get 255 DC-9-10 replacement jets, unlimited 50 seaters and unlimited turboprops at any size, all flown by ace dealing outsourcers as well as a 2-fer-1 (not in their favor) code share deal with AS.

Maybe *that* would help them grow?

Rather B Fishin

Thanks for answering your own quote. A 747 captain that is concerned about junior guys, HA! The company could outsource up to 200 seat airplanes and your quality of life wouldn't be affected. I have absolutely NO doubt you'd sell the rest of the pilot group out if you could ensure your cushy "whale" job. Good on you though, you actually have some guys believing you care.

gloopy

I don't know that you can say someone is guilty of wanting mass increases in outsourcing just because they are on certain equipment. The vast majority of us are not on the 747 or 777 and yet we don't want to outsource those planes. I want DL pilots to do more DL flying at all levels, not less. Why can't someone on a 747 want the same thing?

Not to mention someone who goes out of their way 25/8/366 to argue that point as hard as they can, consistently, while trying to convince his peers that may not agree or "get it" yet of the same?

If your point was that we need more unity at all levels and across all deomgraphics (junior-senior, commuter-non commuter, lineholder-reserve, widebody-narrowbody, etc) then fine, but there are better ways to say it. But its not fair to automatically call someone essentially a backstabber or a drawbridge puller just because they are at a certain seniority number based on nothing more, especially while ignoring volumes of strong and articulate arguements to the contrary.

Rather B Fishin

Gloopy I agree, but i don't think that is the case with Carl. His agenda is only to get DALPA off property. His talking points include any and all things that will further his cause. I currently don't fly with ANY captain that is so passionate about scope recapture. Now I'm supposed to believe a guy on the highest paying equipment in the highest position is "all about scope"????
Carl is trying his best to win the hearts and minds of junior guys. I don't buy it.

Wasatch Phantom

Disagree,

Carl genuinely wants what's best for all Delta pilots and is an avowed "scope hawk".

He (like many others, myself included) believe that DALPA is not the bargaining agent to do it, but rather the DPA would do a better job of negotiating and enforcing contract 2012.

I find it refreshing that someone at the top of the profession (747 Captain) is so concerned about all of us far from the top. Carl is very definitely not one of those who is "all about me".

DAWGS

Maybe just maybe, someone wants to restore this profession so the next generation has the same quality opportunities he was afforded. I think Carl is very sincere. He spends more time on here arguing than our FPL ALPA mustachio wizards! BTW his QOL would be greatly affected and he is smart enough to realize it!