DAL 88 Driver

Oh. And, T....

tsquare

Let's see how much growing SWA does over the coming few years with that golden scope clause. But then again, they have a bunch of ready for furlough (or more appropriately.. ready to stagnate) guys over there that Gary Ichan bent over the table too... We can continue this discussion then..

Uh oh.. John Galt wold be angry with me

forgot to bid

DAL, Buford Dam on Lake Lanier was or is considered a major terrorist target capable of unleashing 38,000 acres of water into the Hooche and down to ATL. So it is possible to hit it with a tsunami I guess.



The is not meant to say I like the idea, just workin' with 88 as requested.

Wasatch Phantom

FTB,

Not to pick on you but Lake Lanier's size is roughly 38,000 acres.

Lakes, reservoirs, etc. capacity is measured in "acre feet" (which is the amount of water contained in one acre, one foot deep). Lanier's water capacity is 1,957,000 acre feet. One acre foot is roughly 325,000 gallons.

It's a lot of water!

Carl Spackler

This ought to be good.

On MANY of our domestic flights, we provide nothing more than SWA does. I've flown two full fare business class legs this month and got nothing more than drinks and the snack basket.

SWA currentlly flies to 72 cities. DAL currently flies to 50 countries...but only if you consider Delta Air Lines to also be Aeroflot, AeroMexico, AirEuropa, Air France, Alitalia, China Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Czech Airlines, Kenya Airways, KLM, Korean Air and Vietnam Airlines.

Yeah I know what you mean. We're both airlines, but we're totally different.

We ARE in that position. But in order to capitalize on it, you'd have to hold up the SWAPA contract as the example to the NMB. That's something you just can't do tsquare. You'd rather stay stuck where we are before admitting that the SWAPA contract could be a huge help to us.

And you started this post by claiming to be looking at the rational and logical argument? If we got SWAPA's scope, we would shrink like you can't believe? Therefore, we must continue to allow all this outsourcing so we can grow? Do you know there's a difference between the Delta Ticket Brokerage company growing and the Delta pilot's seniority list growing?

Tell you what t, after reading this post of yours, I'd just settle for you really being sober in how you look at this.

Carl

Carl Spackler

You need to re-take that ALPA communications seminar because this is indiscernible.

The NMB doesn't HAVE to do anything. This is a strategy. I believe it would be a successful strategy. DALPA knows it would be a successful strategy. But increasing Delta's costs like that wouldn't make management very happy, so DALPA will refuse to use that strategy. Instead, they use apologists like you to denigrate real strategies, while defending the absence of a strategy.

It is indeed reasonable. The NMB is a reasonable board. But your bargaining agent has to want to try. Ours does not.

It hasn't ALWAYS worked. When you're not profitable and you want what a profitable company has, that may well be thought of as unreasonable by the NMB. In this case, we are MORE profitable than SWA. But since our bargaining agent is DALPA/ALPA, it's a moot point.

Yes they have, see above. We are MORE profitable than SWA. I know this fact just grates on you, but it's the truth.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Absolutely correct.

We'll only know that we have when the openers are exchanged with management.

The members will never know.

Almost certainly.

Carl

DAL 88 Driver

I think T has "SWA Derangement Syndrome."

Gomerglideslope

I agree completely that we should hold up the SWA contract as a peer example in a pattern bargain comparison, and I made that very argument in my responses in the DALPA contract survey...did you?

Carl Spackler

At last...a diagnosis!

Carl