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Old 02-08-2012, 05:51 PM
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope
I think the "DALPA strategy" and "our objective" is what the membership has dictated them to be through the contract objective poll that every member had ample opportunity to sound off on....is that not your understanding?
I think that's their plan... after they spent the past 5 years trying to lower our expectations.

Look. When we first came out of BK, I have absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of this pilot group would have supported a push for restoration. Maybe not all at once... but I have no doubt that this would have been an acceptable objective to the vast majority of our pilots. All we needed was some good leadership. Instead, DALPA spent all these years going along as if our new BK standard of living is a new baseline. No apparent objective of restoration. No sense of urgency. In addition to that, we've had communication after communication (along with numerous posts on the DALPA Forum and here from the usual suspects) poo-pooing the idea of restoration. I'm sure you're not going to agree with my assessment of the situation but I think it's pretty darn spot on.
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Because their pilot group had a majority vote of YES for the integration?!?
No, because ALPA told them a yes vote was a vote for continued employment.
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Don't know the exacts but it has something to do with the first TA and I guess memos to the group or something. It's an ALPA guy who told me about it. I'd have to see on the AT threads.

To me I thought they should keep fighting SWA but I guess some were really okay with the first TA.
They may want to know why the first proposal was not brought to MEMRAT, but the second was. I could see that.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
I think that's their plan... after they spent the past 5 years trying to lower our expectations.

Look. When we first came out of BK, I have absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of this pilot group would have supported a push for restoration. Maybe not all at once... but I have no doubt that this would have been an acceptable objective to the vast majority of our pilots. All we needed was some good leadership. Instead, DALPA spent all these years going along as if our new BK standard of living is a new baseline. No apparent objective of restoration. No sense of urgency. In addition to that, we've had communication after communication (along with numerous posts on the DALPA Forum and here from the usual suspects) poo-pooing the idea of restoration. I'm sure you're not going to agree with my assessment of the situation but I think it's pretty darn spot on.
No, actually I do not agree with your assessment of the situation simply because I don't look to ALPA for "leadership", and DALPA does not have the ability to raise OR lower my expectations.
I truly appreciate all the work that went into the contract comparison, and the contract surveys etc., etc...in the end I know how much we used to make, how much FEDEX, UPS and SWA pilots make. I know about UCAL, AMR and USAPA; I worry about the economy, cabbotage, and Chinese carriers flooding the market with state supported A380s...I expect DALPA to follow the path in negotiations that we tell them to follow and if the end product doesn't meet my approval, I will vote "No" (as I have twice before to no avail)...but in the end I will accept the fact that my vote (and my opinion) means no more or less than yours....good luck to us all!
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:48 PM
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Now, there isn't a TA I'm not going to look through and judge but, just for comparison purposes:

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Old 02-08-2012, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
No, because ALPA told them a yes vote was a vote for continued employment.
I was under the impression that it was SWA management that made that assertion.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Stay strong, t. Stay strong...
You can do it. I have.
Whats wrong Pineapple, you have better things to do than be logged on here 24/7 with a post count in the thousands?...(if Carl can do it, so can you...man up)

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Old 02-08-2012, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope
I was under the impression that it was SWA management that made that assertion.
That is true. But what if ALPA also made that assertion to its members? And what if ALPA did so for the express purpose of garnering the favor of SWAPA so that SWAPA would join ALPA someday? Sound familiar?

If there is evidence of this, there will be yet another DFR suit against ALPA. If there's no evidence, then there won't.

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Old 02-09-2012, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope
Whats wrong Pineapple, you have better things to do than be logged on here 24/7 with a post count in the thousands?...(if Carl can do it, so can you...man up)
Gomer, do you believe in yourself? I do.

So don't mask your jealousy in sarcasm. It is truly possible that you will one day write something worth reading! So just keep trying.

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