More Bacon

The question is, "will you help me?" I am every bit as convinced that DALPA is the wrong agent to have across from the company, as you are convinced they are the correct agent.

I'm sure DALPA would love to "hold this...in abeyance" indefinitely. But this issue cannot be kicked down the road. Do you expect DALPA to deliver an acceptable TA? I maintain that even the most hard-core DALPA supporters (at least the ones not collecting FPL) are, on varying levels, doubtful that DALPA has the stones to get us what we demand--or at least something we're happy with.

We'd better make sure we're ready to act when (not if) they don't deliver.

Seaslap8

Why not?....DALPA negotiated the contract (2000) that is currently being used as the "restoration benchmark"....and it was also the benchmark that SWA used to get where they are today.

Rather B Fishin

I believe your memory is incorrect. "Equity" in the new company (via stock) was NOT the same percentage. Pilot's had their own cut of the total equity. That equity was then split between North and South based on pilot totals. The South side was then split even further. Everyone got half, the remaining half was then prorated on years of service.

Prior to the merger all South pilots were 2% DPSP and 9% DC plan. Incorrect again.

More Bacon

Well, DALPA did give away our pensions, so I guess we can be thankful for that.

Jakazz

The only pilots interested in the DPA are our more emotional contingent. Anyone who takes an objective look at the industry realizes how well DALPA has performed.

Delta was in bankruptcy less than 5yrs ago with a pilot contract that was decimated. Yet in that short time Delta pilots are now some of the highest compensated in the industry. There's still a long way to go for a full recovery of lost wages and benefits. But to be above industry avg. with only the most profitable companies earning more, I'd say well done.

How many unions have been able to insert themselves into the merger process, SUCCESSFULLY? None come to mind. I expect DALPA to be a player, come the next merger. Well done!

The DPA gives no indication they would operate any differently than USAPA. They (DPA) are completely ineffective, selling pipe dreams, using half-truths and outright lies. Again, debating/bargaining via emotion over cold hard facts.

Carl Spackler

Right you are Tom.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Great. Honest debate is always a good thing.

So...this is your attempt at honest debate?

Carl

Carl Spackler

Depends on what you want for help Bar. Why am I sensing that you consider help to be the suspension of an in-house union campaign now that only 2,000 more cards are required. Am I right?

Of course we'll stand together. As long as DALPA is our bargaining agent, I'll twist their collective arms to fight hard for us. I know they will ignore me, but I'll twist arms anyway. I will also twist the arms of DPA leaders to continue the card collection as a Plan B if/when DALPA's TA is horribly weak. We are pilots. We are all about Plan B's. You should understand that.

Carl

Jakazz

Of course we'll stand together. As long as DALPA is our bargaining agent, I'll twist their collective arms to fight hard for us. I know they will ignore me, but I'll twist arms anyway. I will also twist the arms of DPA leaders to continue the card collection as a Plan B if/when DALPA's TA is horribly weak. We are pilots. We are all about Plan B's. You should understand that.

Carl[/QUOTE]

Great plan, divide the pilot group with half-truths and lies. I'm sure this philosophy will lead to an industry leading contract. Is this really your battle plan for section 6?

You know as well as every other pilot that the DPA is dead. They've completely lost any momentum and now they're desperate. They continue to throw their BS arguments against the wall hoping something will stick.

I certainly don't mind an honest debate concerning the pro's and con's of pro active engagement vs. traditional union head banging tactics. There might even be a time when a discussion of an independent or a national union is in our best interest. But NOW is not the time. It's time to wear your ALPA pin. Show you support your representatives so they can leverage that solidarity into an industry leading contract.

forgot to bid

I'm laughing because Jackazz, they're going to delete you. But it was a funny idea while it lasted.