Delta Pilots Association
01-23-2012, 06:19 PM
#7271
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,619
Don't take my word for it. Read the actual court document that describes the willful and premeditated destruction of evidence on ALPA's part.
http://www.twapilot.org/TWA%20vs.%20...tionsBrief.pdf
It becomes easy to see perhaps why the jury rendered the 12-0 verdict rather quickly.
Interesting how the T and G did not touch on this. Sadly, if ALPA goes down it will be at its own hand as one of the 7 deadly sins will have reared its head... Greed.
http://www.twapilot.org/TWA%20vs.%20...tionsBrief.pdf
It becomes easy to see perhaps why the jury rendered the 12-0 verdict rather quickly.
Interesting how the T and G did not touch on this. Sadly, if ALPA goes down it will be at its own hand as one of the 7 deadly sins will have reared its head... Greed.
- Intellectually lazy
- Sloppy and incomplete
- Deliberately trying to deceive us
So please, tell me, is it 1, 2, or 3. This seems to be the modus operandi of the DPA crowd lately. Deception, sloppiness, laziness. It seems that your main point now is to attack ALPA on any grounds with no regards for the truth at all. So it didn't make it into the Touch and Go because it is all a bunch of hooey.
DPA is now trying to stick their heads into the business of CAL and UAL. I thought they were supposed to be worrying about Delta pilots only. Why are they sticking their noses into other airline's business? Oh yeah, their lawyer got fired from his last job as is looking for another sucker. That explains it.
01-23-2012, 07:34 PM
#7273
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Just one more case where you are either:
So please, tell me, is it 1, 2, or 3. This seems to be the modus operandi of the DPA crowd lately. Deception, sloppiness, laziness. It seems that your main point now is to attack ALPA on any grounds with no regards for the truth at all. So it didn't make it into the Touch and Go because it is all a bunch of hooey.
DPA is now trying to stick their heads into the business of CAL and UAL. I thought they were supposed to be worrying about Delta pilots only. Why are they sticking their noses into other airline's business? Oh yeah, their lawyer got fired from his last job as is looking for another sucker. That explains it.
- Intellectually lazy
- Sloppy and incomplete
- Deliberately trying to deceive us
So please, tell me, is it 1, 2, or 3. This seems to be the modus operandi of the DPA crowd lately. Deception, sloppiness, laziness. It seems that your main point now is to attack ALPA on any grounds with no regards for the truth at all. So it didn't make it into the Touch and Go because it is all a bunch of hooey.
DPA is now trying to stick their heads into the business of CAL and UAL. I thought they were supposed to be worrying about Delta pilots only. Why are they sticking their noses into other airline's business? Oh yeah, their lawyer got fired from his last job as is looking for another sucker. That explains it.
Why wasn't the letter signed then?
01-24-2012, 01:43 AM
#7274
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: MSP 7ERA
Posts: 58
Just one more case where you are either:
So please, tell me, is it 1, 2, or 3. This seems to be the modus operandi of the DPA crowd lately. Deception, sloppiness, laziness. It seems that your main point now is to attack ALPA on any grounds with no regards for the truth at all. So it didn't make it into the Touch and Go because it is all a bunch of hooey.
DPA is now trying to stick their heads into the business of CAL and UAL. I thought they were supposed to be worrying about Delta pilots only. Why are they sticking their noses into other airline's business? Oh yeah, their lawyer got fired from his last job as is looking for another sucker. That explains it.
- Intellectually lazy
- Sloppy and incomplete
- Deliberately trying to deceive us
So please, tell me, is it 1, 2, or 3. This seems to be the modus operandi of the DPA crowd lately. Deception, sloppiness, laziness. It seems that your main point now is to attack ALPA on any grounds with no regards for the truth at all. So it didn't make it into the Touch and Go because it is all a bunch of hooey.
DPA is now trying to stick their heads into the business of CAL and UAL. I thought they were supposed to be worrying about Delta pilots only. Why are they sticking their noses into other airline's business? Oh yeah, their lawyer got fired from his last job as is looking for another sucker. That explains it.
Does ALPA go insolvent or bankrupt? Do they pair down services or shed MEC's that are not self-supporting? Would they have to raise thier dues to become self-supporting? These are legitimate questions.
And no, DPA does not offer anything viable as far as I'm concerned, so it's not about them vs. ALPA, but what the possible future implications for ALPA are.
01-24-2012, 06:24 AM
#7275
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: A320
Posts: 65
One of the many things that really bothers me about ALPA is their inconsistency in collecting dues. Did you guys know some ALPA airlines don't pay dues on their 401k contributions?
For instance, regional pilot Joe made 50k and he contributed 10k to his 401k. He only pays dues on 40k @ 1.95% = $780.
Major airline pilot Mike made 100k and he contributed 15k to his 401k. He pays dues on 100k @ 1.95% = $1950.
FWIW I don't think anyone should have to pay dues on money they're contributing to their 401k, but if some of us have to then everyone should.
For instance, regional pilot Joe made 50k and he contributed 10k to his 401k. He only pays dues on 40k @ 1.95% = $780.
Major airline pilot Mike made 100k and he contributed 15k to his 401k. He pays dues on 100k @ 1.95% = $1950.
FWIW I don't think anyone should have to pay dues on money they're contributing to their 401k, but if some of us have to then everyone should.
01-24-2012, 06:36 AM
#7276
Sho me da money!
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: B25, Left
Posts: 947
It is disappointing to me as of late my interactions with DPA. They have left me a bit miffed to say the least. I always try to be friendly and open minded when talking with others about DPA but trying to get through the "lets throw it on the wall and see what sticks" approach is disconcerting and more damaging than fact based exchange. I do agree that 90% of all discussions regarding opinions and unions are just that opinions. DALPA has a long way to go and will either survive or die and based on my dealings with advocates of DPA (crew lounge types) are less than convincing that DPA is an appropriate answer to our issues.
01-24-2012, 08:25 AM
#7277
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 273
Dude, that may work with the chicks, but it's not impressing me. I won't finish my law degree for a few months, so let's shelf the legal gobbledygook. I'm ostensibly paying dues money to ALPA lawyers who are "looking out for us," and who know about that type of stuff.
Clearly, the guys we are paying are not looking out for you and me. They are looking out for the ALPA bureaucracy. Delta pilots' and the ALPA bureaucracy's interests overlap zero in this case. So we're paying lawyers to bend the Delta pilot group over...for a HUGE amount of money.
We're getting completely hosed. Time for a new bargaining agent!
Clearly, the guys we are paying are not looking out for you and me. They are looking out for the ALPA bureaucracy. Delta pilots' and the ALPA bureaucracy's interests overlap zero in this case. So we're paying lawyers to bend the Delta pilot group over...for a HUGE amount of money.
We're getting completely hosed. Time for a new bargaining agent!
The court also wrote that Plaintiffs made vague statements, such as: “ALPA’s spoliation was so widespread and covered such a long period of time it can only be concluded that substantial evidence was destroyed which would have been favorable to Plaintiffs.” Such a catch-all statement, along with vague speculation as to whether evidence has been destroyed or even whether evidence was relevant does not rise to the specificity level required by the Third Circuit to impose sanctions or even make a finding of spoliation. While Defendants should have moved more quickly to place litigation holds on the routine destruction of certain documents and electronic data, the Court saw no evidence of bad faith. The court, therefore, denied the motion for sanctions at this time.
01-24-2012, 08:30 AM
#7278
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 273
01-24-2012, 09:10 AM
#7279
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: erb
Posts: 646
One of the many things that really bothers me about ALPA is their inconsistency in collecting dues. Did you guys know some ALPA airlines don't pay dues on their 401k contributions?
For instance, regional pilot Joe made 50k and he contributed 10k to his 401k. He only pays dues on 40k @ 1.95% = $780.
Major airline pilot Mike made 100k and he contributed 15k to his 401k. He pays dues on 100k @ 1.95% = $1950.
FWIW I don't think anyone should have to pay dues on money they're contributing to their 401k, but if some of us have to then everyone should.
For instance, regional pilot Joe made 50k and he contributed 10k to his 401k. He only pays dues on 40k @ 1.95% = $780.
Major airline pilot Mike made 100k and he contributed 15k to his 401k. He pays dues on 100k @ 1.95% = $1950.
FWIW I don't think anyone should have to pay dues on money they're contributing to their 401k, but if some of us have to then everyone should.
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