scambo1

I'm only responding to what you bolded. I am a Donut guy. DALPA / ALPA have two litmus tests approaching - 1 certainly, 1 possibly: Our upcoming JCBA with openers to be exchanged in 2.5 months...a certain DALPA litmus test which will determine our future representation.

ALPA's is only a potential litmus test - and only if AA fragments and Delta is a purchaser of a large piece. I dont know where you stand on the whole fair play and karma side of the fence, but as is well documented, when AA bought the bankrupt TWA, they did not treat the TWA pilots as equals. Would ALPA do the same in return?

Go it alone representation wrt ALPA is IMO logical in a world where your company is doing well, but can bite you or favor you in any future merger. ALPA's track record is a little weak lately, but I think they are getting first dibs on our opener. I also think in an AA / DAL merger scenario, it may be slightly better to be associated with ALPA rather than independant...I could be wrong.

Carl Spackler

Really shiznit? Appeals to be heard? When did ALPA file an appeal to this judgment?

No they don't. They only have insurance if the payout is quite low. If it's a large monetary penalty, ALPA will have to self-insure or file for bankruptcy. It all depends on what the final monetary penalty is.

Pure BS. Whistling past the graveyard dude.

Carl

More Bacon

More to the point, is there a scenario under which we are assessed up the @ss to cover ALPA's liability?

Carl Spackler

Absolutely there is. We are ALPA. ALPA's liability is OUR liability.

Carl

More Bacon

Oh, that's right...we are ALPA.

I repeat: Why are we not more worried about this? As much as I despise the ALPA propaganda apparatus, they are doing an outstanding job of lying, denying, and counter-accusing--all the while, making complete stooges out of us.

Of course, our complacency and ignorance is making it easy for them.

I'd like to hear one of the ALPA folks on the record saying that there is no way this will cost us thousands (tens of thousands?) apiece going forward. I won't hold my breath.

Time for a new bargaining agent.

More Bacon

"Infighting?" So you are calling our legitimate concerns about our agent's agenda "infighting?!" Wow. Talk about being out-of-touch.

George III would have been much more successful ruling the Colonies if he could just "focus on the issues instead of infighting," right?

If ALPA were addressing real issues brought up by real Delta pilots, there would be a lot less "infighting."

But hey, I have a shiny new ALPA card with a QR code! Tell you what--you keep your QR code, and the rest of us will keep our money in the Delta pilot group. Deal?

exeagle

Because "alpa has insurance for this." Sad isn't it? Seems that a third of the pilot group is worried. Not sure how many more screw ups the rest of the pilots are going to take before they say enough.

Carl Spackler

I've been trying to stay away because I knew this post would make 6000, but have you guys read this latest "product of the Delta MEC Communications Committee" regarding the TWA lawsuit? Sounds exactly like one of slowplay or alfaromeo or reroute's posts. Unbelievably unprofessional and loaded with personal opinion trying to be portrayed as fact. Although it was unsigned (you can understand why), you could almost see one slowplay's tongue sticking out emoticons at the end of each sentence.

This is what our full time flight pay loss bureaucrats do for a living? Do they not know that management also reads this stuff?

How utterly weak and embarrassing.

Carl

Reroute

Nice talking point, but untrue.

Regardless of any damages, there is no individual liability to ALPA members for a DFR violation. But by all means Carl, don't let the facts get in your way.

B7ER Guy

Most of everything I read or hear from DPA supporters is just that!
Of course when you can't respond with facts, don't let making up things stop you. Seems that DPA has been quite good at that!