Delta Pilots Association
01-12-2012, 05:56 AM
#7241
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 320A
Posts: 333
GMAB, read the letter. Those are some of the upgrades. The way I see it, it will do more than sit in your wallet and get wrinkled. This is also required by the CBL, as stated in the letter.
It just gets a little old to hear that every darn thing ALPA does is bad.
As for the people ALPA hires. Frankly we got some really bight and capable people working here. Good for us, and I too expect to see the produce results.
As for 100K a year. If that is all the people are making with 15-20 years of related experience, two post graduate degrees, and living in DC, that is really a sign of how bad the economy is. Those people are worth well over twice that. (So are we) My point was, I am really impressed by their resumes.
It just gets a little old to hear that every darn thing ALPA does is bad.
As for the people ALPA hires. Frankly we got some really bight and capable people working here. Good for us, and I too expect to see the produce results.
As for 100K a year. If that is all the people are making with 15-20 years of related experience, two post graduate degrees, and living in DC, that is really a sign of how bad the economy is. Those people are worth well over twice that. (So are we) My point was, I am really impressed by their resumes.
01-12-2012, 05:59 AM
#7242
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Delta M88 A ATL
Posts: 383
According to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and the data collected from the 1995 time period to 2010.
SOUTHWEST’S pilots block hour costs went from $330 per hour in 1995 to $691 per hour in 2010, a 53% increase!!!
DELTA’S pilot block hour costs went from $707 in 1995 to $552 in 2010, a 22% decrease!!!
DELTA’S pilots, from their high in 2004 have taken a 46% decrease!!!!!!
Go to this web site:
Airline Data Project
select airline, then third line down, block hour statistics
SOUTHWEST’S pilots block hour costs went from $330 per hour in 1995 to $691 per hour in 2010, a 53% increase!!!
DELTA’S pilot block hour costs went from $707 in 1995 to $552 in 2010, a 22% decrease!!!
DELTA’S pilots, from their high in 2004 have taken a 46% decrease!!!!!!
Go to this web site:
Airline Data Project
select airline, then third line down, block hour statistics
01-12-2012, 06:31 AM
#7243
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
They are not perfect, not by a long shot. They would be a lot better if they could focus on the issues instead in infighting. They would be a lot better if pilots got involved and quite thrown this or that bard at them, they would be better if the pilots of DPA forced the issues to be dealt with and not sign a card and walk away.
I am talking about the level of talent we have working for us, I am impressed by it.
01-12-2012, 07:43 AM
#7244
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 478
01-12-2012, 03:15 PM
#7245
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 12,037
Bar,
I hate being lied to as well...
But (correct me if I'm wrong) TWA pilots sued ALPA because they felt ALPA had failed in their duty to fairly represent the TWA pilots in their SLI negotiations with AMR and APA.
They won the lawsuit,and in addition, ALPA was found guilty of destroying evidence.
I consider ALPA's actions (with respect to both the SLI negotiations and the ensuing lawsuit ) to be a he** of a lot worse than one email sent by DPA which may (or may not) be stretching things a bit.
I hate being lied to as well...
But (correct me if I'm wrong) TWA pilots sued ALPA because they felt ALPA had failed in their duty to fairly represent the TWA pilots in their SLI negotiations with AMR and APA.
They won the lawsuit,and in addition, ALPA was found guilty of destroying evidence.
I consider ALPA's actions (with respect to both the SLI negotiations and the ensuing lawsuit ) to be a he** of a lot worse than one email sent by DPA which may (or may not) be stretching things a bit.
- The TWA pilots agreed to waive their Section 1. The TWA had resolved to get independent counsel and maintain their stand on Section 1. But, then they changed their mind. The core of the allegation was tainted legal advice ...
- We have no idea how SLI might have been handled if the TWA pilots had not voluntarily waived their rights. Other TWA employee groups got every possible outcome, from DOH to a staple. There is not a convenient example to point at for a "me too" type analysis of damages.
- American itself in in bankruptcy. What is the future value of a American seniority number?
- Could it be that Comair's DFR suit is an accurate benchmark of the valuation of the TWA claims?
There is also some law that we don't know the answer to. Specifically, would a Judge invalidate a non pecuniary job protection provision in bankruptcy? Until now the remedy to pecuniary problems in bankruptcy has been an adjustment of pay and benefits within the PWA, not a forced revision of scope. No Judge has yet to break that precedent, but lawyers being lawyers advise their client truthfully "it is possible" despite how unlikely it is that a Judge would force outsourcing.
I think the TWA guys should have gotten better than they did, but I'm not sure how much ALPA did and how much they did to themselves that ALPA will ultimately be held responsible for.
01-15-2012, 04:30 PM
#7247
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Once all that plays out, if there is a financial judgement against ALPA, there is an insurance policy that ALPA carries to cover the payout.
There is little to no chance that you will see ALPA pay anything out of pocket over this case.
01-16-2012, 10:49 AM
#7248
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: A330
Posts: 91
Tim;
They are not perfect, not by a long shot. They would be a lot better if they could focus on the issues instead in infighting. They would be a lot better if pilots got involved and quite thrown this or that bard at them, they would be better if the pilots of DPA forced the issues to be dealt with and not sign a card and walk away.
I am talking about the level of talent we have working for us, I am impressed by it.
They are not perfect, not by a long shot. They would be a lot better if they could focus on the issues instead in infighting. They would be a lot better if pilots got involved and quite thrown this or that bard at them, they would be better if the pilots of DPA forced the issues to be dealt with and not sign a card and walk away.
I am talking about the level of talent we have working for us, I am impressed by it.
What he said!
01-16-2012, 03:55 PM
#7249
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
So to me that sounds like ALPA has agreed to pay out but wants to fight over how much those damages are.
Otherwise I doubt the TWA pilots would agree to mediation, thoughts? Any lawyers in the group?
Has anyone else been hearing about AirTran pilots beginning to form a group to sue ALPA over representation issues?
01-16-2012, 04:15 PM
#7250
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Supposedly TWA pilots and ALPA have agreed to mediation over the damages.
So to me that sounds like ALPA has agreed to pay out but wants to fight over how much those damages are.
Otherwise I doubt the TWA pilots would agree to mediation, thoughts? Any lawyers in the group?
Has anyone else been hearing about AirTran pilots beginning to form a group to sue ALPA over representation issues?
So to me that sounds like ALPA has agreed to pay out but wants to fight over how much those damages are.
Otherwise I doubt the TWA pilots would agree to mediation, thoughts? Any lawyers in the group?
Has anyone else been hearing about AirTran pilots beginning to form a group to sue ALPA over representation issues?
Looking good Winthorp. Feeling good Todd.
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