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01-05-2012, 06:59 PM
#7211
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This wasn't good for UT, losing Justin Wilcox and Peter Sirmon. They ran a decent D in Tenn. Hopefully they don't see many guys decommit.
ESPN.com first reported Wilcox’s hiring.
Wilcox isn’t coming alone. Linebackers coach Peter Sirmon is leaving Tennessee as well to take the same job with the Huskies. Both Wilcox and Sirmon have significant Northwest ties — each played at Oregon and Wilcox’s big break came as defensive coordinator for Boise State.
Along with Holt, Washington also dismissed linebackers coach Mike Cox and safeties coach Jeff Mills. The moves came after Washington had the worst statistical defense in school history.
01-05-2012, 09:42 PM
#7213
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
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The fact that it's been around for forty years is not a defense for its continuation. As people change and their motivations change, old provisions with long histories can become a problem. As I've said earlier, if our MEC bureaucrats were junkyard dogs fighting for scope reversal and C2K restoration, I'd be lobbying my reps to increase their pay. The fact that our MEC bureaucrats are doing nothing of the sort, I'm forced to ask the question: "Why Not?" Part of the answer could very well be the fact that they identify with the entity that actually pays their salaries. If the dollars are exactly the same, it shouldn't matter to our MEC bureaucrats where their money comes from.
When I represent a party and their interests, I'm paid BY that part, not some third party with a competing interest to the party I'm charged with representing. It's a tried and true process, and one I can hardly believe we're even arguing about.
Carl
When I represent a party and their interests, I'm paid BY that part, not some third party with a competing interest to the party I'm charged with representing. It's a tried and true process, and one I can hardly believe we're even arguing about.
Carl
How does losing a part of the PWA fit into the mantra of restoration?
01-05-2012, 10:13 PM
#7214
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
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Who's talking about "getting rid" of 24J? I'm talking about modifying the language such that the entire amount of flight pay loss to union officials is given to the pilots as increased compensation. Then our dues would go up by the exact same amount. This way our union officials are paid by us for their representation services...not management.
As stated above, nobody is talking about "losing" part of the PWA. Which is unfortunate, because I would love to talk about losing parts of our Section 1 that allows for outsourcing. That would be a case where losing something in the PWA would produce restoration plus.
Carl
As stated above, nobody is talking about "losing" part of the PWA. Which is unfortunate, because I would love to talk about losing parts of our Section 1 that allows for outsourcing. That would be a case where losing something in the PWA would produce restoration plus.
Carl
01-06-2012, 07:47 AM
#7215
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
This wasn't good for UT, losing Justin Wilcox and Peter Sirmon. They ran a decent D in Tenn. Hopefully they don't see many guys decommit.
ESPN.com first reported Wilcox’s hiring.
Wilcox isn’t coming alone. Linebackers coach Peter Sirmon is leaving Tennessee as well to take the same job with the Huskies. Both Wilcox and Sirmon have significant Northwest ties — each played at Oregon and Wilcox’s big break came as defensive coordinator for Boise State.
Along with Holt, Washington also dismissed linebackers coach Mike Cox and safeties coach Jeff Mills. The moves came after Washington had the worst statistical defense in school history.
ESPN.com first reported Wilcox’s hiring.
Wilcox isn’t coming alone. Linebackers coach Peter Sirmon is leaving Tennessee as well to take the same job with the Huskies. Both Wilcox and Sirmon have significant Northwest ties — each played at Oregon and Wilcox’s big break came as defensive coordinator for Boise State.
Along with Holt, Washington also dismissed linebackers coach Mike Cox and safeties coach Jeff Mills. The moves came after Washington had the worst statistical defense in school history.
01-06-2012, 01:05 PM
#7216
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Meh. Wilcox did OK... he didn't set the world on fire. Of course the talent pool was a bit shallow. The rumor mill has Dooley looking at either Randy Shannon or Steele from Clemson. Of course after his non-showing at the Orange bowl that could be baaaaaaad. I think we will know by Monday at the latest. Whatever happens, this coaching merry-go-round nightmare needs to end.
01-07-2012, 02:15 PM
#7217
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Posts: 335
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Absolutely incorrect. I used to think the same thing about SWAPA's contracts. The reality is that they've darn near always had a great contract and great pay. It's just that the thing was so complex (to us based on our ALPA contracts) that many of us didn't understand just how much these guys were bringing home. Smart on their part, lazy on our part to not know and assume the worst......
Carl
Absolutely incorrect. I used to think the same thing about SWAPA's contracts. The reality is that they've darn near always had a great contract and great pay. It's just that the thing was so complex (to us based on our ALPA contracts) that many of us didn't understand just how much these guys were bringing home. Smart on their part, lazy on our part to not know and assume the worst......
Carl
And while SWAPA has been a very effective advocate, their latest success (playing whack-a-mole on the Airtran pilot's domes) was facilitated in large part by SWA management...SWAPA has never really seen adversity, but now that the company's seemingly endless stream of profitable quarters has come to an end, and their cost advantage has been eroded, if UCal or AMR or DAL pilots don't close the pay gap quickly, then we will see....
01-07-2012, 05:06 PM
#7219
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,544
You continue to lionize SWAPA, and I certainly have no quarrel with giving credit where credit is due, but lets not forget that their current industry leading pay rates are to no small degree thanks to the benchmark that DALPA set in 2000.
And while SWAPA has been a very effective advocate, their latest success (playing whack-a-mole on the Airtran pilot's domes) was facilitated in large part by SWA management...SWAPA has never really seen adversity, but now that the company's seemingly endless stream of profitable quarters has come to an end, and their cost advantage has been eroded, if UCal or AMR or DAL pilots don't close the pay gap quickly, then we will see....
And while SWAPA has been a very effective advocate, their latest success (playing whack-a-mole on the Airtran pilot's domes) was facilitated in large part by SWA management...SWAPA has never really seen adversity, but now that the company's seemingly endless stream of profitable quarters has come to an end, and their cost advantage has been eroded, if UCal or AMR or DAL pilots don't close the pay gap quickly, then we will see....
For DALPA, "holding the line" is not enough. Scope needs to start bringing jobs back to the Delta seniority list in Contract 2012 for DALPA (really ALPA) to have and maintain the level of credibility necessary to continue to represent this property IMO.
01-07-2012, 07:17 PM
#7220
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
You continue to lionize SWAPA, and I certainly have no quarrel with giving credit where credit is due, but lets not forget that their current industry leading pay rates are to no small degree thanks to the benchmark that DALPA set in 2000.
And while SWAPA has been a very effective advocate, their latest success (playing whack-a-mole on the Airtran pilot's domes) was facilitated in large part by SWA management...SWAPA has never really seen adversity, but now that the company's seemingly endless stream of profitable quarters has come to an end, and their cost advantage has been eroded, if UCal or AMR or DAL pilots don't close the pay gap quickly, then we will see....
And while SWAPA has been a very effective advocate, their latest success (playing whack-a-mole on the Airtran pilot's domes) was facilitated in large part by SWA management...SWAPA has never really seen adversity, but now that the company's seemingly endless stream of profitable quarters has come to an end, and their cost advantage has been eroded, if UCal or AMR or DAL pilots don't close the pay gap quickly, then we will see....
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