Delta Pilots Association
01-05-2012, 02:29 PM
#7201
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Volunteers never get monthly average pay hours +5 (92 last year).
Not all volunteers get monthly average pay hours (87 last year).
Committee chairs and volunteers don't get "highest position they can hold"(except NC?).
Only a few specified officers get avg.+5, and it doesn't even come out of dues or MEC budget.
NOBODY gets "loosely accounted for" expenses. Everything must be documented and accounted for in a computerized database that at least 2 people in different offices have to approve to be paid.
*Personal experience(so not quite an admissible fact): KR was extremely vigilant and expected full documentation/details on an expense report. The guy was VERY protective of the DAL pilots' dollar(notice the massive surplus in our monthly budgets). I hope BF will do as good a job going forward.
Not all volunteers get monthly average pay hours (87 last year).
Committee chairs and volunteers don't get "highest position they can hold"(except NC?).
Only a few specified officers get avg.+5, and it doesn't even come out of dues or MEC budget.
NOBODY gets "loosely accounted for" expenses. Everything must be documented and accounted for in a computerized database that at least 2 people in different offices have to approve to be paid.
*Personal experience(so not quite an admissible fact): KR was extremely vigilant and expected full documentation/details on an expense report. The guy was VERY protective of the DAL pilots' dollar(notice the massive surplus in our monthly budgets). I hope BF will do as good a job going forward.
Your answer doesnt adress what he bolded. It addresses what was not bolded.
01-05-2012, 02:50 PM
#7202
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 273
Coincidence?
*DAL In-House Union Delta Pilots Association
01-05-2012, 02:52 PM
#7203
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
01-05-2012, 03:03 PM
#7204
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Don't you have more important things to do here like looking for underboob, crying about how bad Tennessee football sucks, and pretending not to like ALPA.
01-05-2012, 03:11 PM
#7205
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
"But For" more than forty years DALPA has had contractual FPL. That covers a period of time when dues were lower and dues were higher than they are now and beats you by seven years. It has covered down contracts and up contracts and everything betwixt and between. Yet when an alternative group appears in early 2009* just as the ink has dried from the merger approval on Halloween 2008 and a mere month after the combined operating certificate on New Years Eve 2008, it suddenly becomes an issue?
Coincidence?
Coincidence?
When I represent a party and their interests, I'm paid BY that part, not some third party with a competing interest to the party I'm charged with representing. It's a tried and true process, and one I can hardly believe we're even arguing about.
Carl
01-05-2012, 03:14 PM
#7206
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
01-05-2012, 03:15 PM
#7207
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
OK.. I'm outta here unless somebody says something to me personally.
01-05-2012, 03:24 PM
#7208
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
01-05-2012, 05:04 PM
#7209
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 320A
Posts: 333
Ok. Let's look at the facts.
Is it, or is it not, true that schedules less than 70 hours are deleted when considering what is "average" when computing the number to pay FPL people?
That would go a LONG way in explaining why everyone I know is getting 68 hour lines from PBS, yet the "average" pay for FPL purposes is 87 hours.
If true, the real way to make a dent in the FPL pay is to change the policy manual to take into consideration all lines down to 60 hours, versus 70.
Nu
Well, here we have it. Straight from section 10.C.3
and the methodology used to determine the computed average rate
So, the MEC treasurer determines the "computed average."
What methodology is used by the treasurer to come to the "computed average?" What is the definition of "regular line holder?" Does this exclude those on reserve? In training? Only regular line holders in a short staffed category? Only regular line holders in only the months of June, July and August?
How can the line pilot, or rather DALPA's customers see how this determination and methodology was made by the treasurer? I see that it is made available to the MEC. How about making it available for all pilots to see anytime it is changed.
Point is, the process couldn't be any more opaque or be definition easier to manipulte to get and support any given number.
NuGuy asked this in post 7155:
Is it, or is it not, true that schedules less than 70 hours are deleted when considering what is "average" when computing the number to pay FPL people?
That would go a LONG way in explaining why everyone I know is getting 68 hour lines from PBS, yet the "average" pay for FPL purposes is 87 hours.
If true, the real way to make a dent in the FPL pay is to change the policy manual to take into consideration all lines down to 60 hours, versus 70.
Nu
Well, here we have it. Straight from section 10.C.3
3. The MEC treasurer will periodically (but at least annually) determine the average
pay hours for regular line holders (computed average), which shall be approved
by the DAL MEC. This average will be used to determine the computed average
rate for full-time and part-time compensation. At every regularly scheduled MEC
meeting, the MEC treasurer will provide the MEC with the computed average rate
pay hours for regular line holders (computed average), which shall be approved
by the DAL MEC. This average will be used to determine the computed average
rate for full-time and part-time compensation. At every regularly scheduled MEC
meeting, the MEC treasurer will provide the MEC with the computed average rate
and the methodology used to determine the computed average rate
So, the MEC treasurer determines the "computed average."
What methodology is used by the treasurer to come to the "computed average?" What is the definition of "regular line holder?" Does this exclude those on reserve? In training? Only regular line holders in a short staffed category? Only regular line holders in only the months of June, July and August?
How can the line pilot, or rather DALPA's customers see how this determination and methodology was made by the treasurer? I see that it is made available to the MEC. How about making it available for all pilots to see anytime it is changed.
Point is, the process couldn't be any more opaque or be definition easier to manipulte to get and support any given number.
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