Delta Pilots Association
12-21-2011, 07:33 PM
#7122
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
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Carl
12-21-2011, 07:40 PM
#7123
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Carl
12-21-2011, 07:43 PM
#7124
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Oh, I just noticed I glossed over that last question. Sorry.
Actually, I think our ALPA lawyers have already done a pretty good job of "tanking our scope clause", wouldn't you say? We've had loopholes Carl could fly his 747-400 through!
But to answer your question. I'm not talking about further "tanking" our existing scope. I'm talking about improving our scope and reversing the outsourcing. If we begin bringing flying back to Delta (and away from the regionals), then those guys will need fewer pilots. The guys who have decided they want to stay at the regionals are really screwed. And a lot of the junior guys, while I'm sure they will be glad to see more hiring at mainline, would be furloughed... i.e. unemployed without a paycheck. So what's an attorney to do? Help us reverse outsourcing and screw over some of the regional pilots he represents? Or try to keep things on a pretty even keel so nobody benefits any further at the expense of anybody else? Tough choice... for an ethical attorney.
Actually, I think our ALPA lawyers have already done a pretty good job of "tanking our scope clause", wouldn't you say? We've had loopholes Carl could fly his 747-400 through!
But to answer your question. I'm not talking about further "tanking" our existing scope. I'm talking about improving our scope and reversing the outsourcing. If we begin bringing flying back to Delta (and away from the regionals), then those guys will need fewer pilots. The guys who have decided they want to stay at the regionals are really screwed. And a lot of the junior guys, while I'm sure they will be glad to see more hiring at mainline, would be furloughed... i.e. unemployed without a paycheck. So what's an attorney to do? Help us reverse outsourcing and screw over some of the regional pilots he represents? Or try to keep things on a pretty even keel so nobody benefits any further at the expense of anybody else? Tough choice... for an ethical attorney.
An attorney is bound to the attorney-client privilege, and cannot be influenced by other clients..... well an ethical attorney anyway.
Didn't the JPWA reduce the number of "permitted aircraft types"? How did the ALPA lawyers let that happen?
(Aside: You and I disagree often, but it is appreciated and noticed that you haven't ever resorted to insults or negative comments in our discussions. Thank you.)
12-22-2011, 09:08 AM
#7126
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,544
That's what she said?
But srsly, the only thing stretching here is the size of the jets we outsource. 50 seaters, 70 seaters, 76 seaters (which are really 90 seaters) and even 737-900's doing an entire coast's worth of flying for us.
But srsly, the only thing stretching here is the size of the jets we outsource. 50 seaters, 70 seaters, 76 seaters (which are really 90 seaters) and even 737-900's doing an entire coast's worth of flying for us.
12-22-2011, 10:00 AM
#7127
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
How utterly disingenuous. It's already on the website as you well know. You'd find fault with a certified letter delivered on a silver platter. You just don't believe it, and you never will.
I don't think you'd ever be interested in leaving ALPA. That's your right. But it's terribly disingenuous to say that you might be interested if only DPA would do....
Carl
I don't think you'd ever be interested in leaving ALPA. That's your right. But it's terribly disingenuous to say that you might be interested if only DPA would do....
Carl
Wrong. I want to see signatures from the leadership guaranteeing that there will be no challenge. Not an anonymous FAQ that promises that. There needs to be the accountability that you are so fond of speaking. Put up or shut up. If he signs such a document, I will personally sign my card right in front of you
12-22-2011, 10:50 AM
#7128
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
12-22-2011, 02:20 PM
#7129
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Wrong. I want to see signatures from the leadership guaranteeing that there will be no challenge. Not an anonymous FAQ that promises that. There needs to be the accountability that you are so fond of speaking. Put up or shut up. If he signs such a document, I will personally sign my card right in front of you
Carl
12-22-2011, 04:53 PM
#7130
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: 767
Posts: 66
Wrong. I want to see signatures from the leadership guaranteeing that there will be no challenge. Not an anonymous FAQ that promises that. There needs to be the accountability that you are so fond of speaking. Put up or shut up. If he signs such a document, I will personally sign my card right in front of you
T, revisiting the SLI can be done in a number of ways without directly addressing it. Look at the C20 resolution from RW that asked for extra DC for the former north 2007 hires. There has also been talk of actuarial modifications to former north retirement assumptions to "equalize" benefits north v. south. Neither of those two made any headway, but the idea is there. There will always be people that feel like they got the shorted in an SLI outcome, and look for ways to improve their position. The DPA leadership is mostly former N. They seem to be the most dissatisfied with the SLI.
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