Delta Pilots Association
09-29-2010, 05:44 AM
#701
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
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I truly don't understand how you conflate these two issues. A representational vote doesn't show disunity on our part at all. If ALPA wins, I will continue to push my reps to extract the maximum possible in negotiations even though I voted for DPA. If DPA wins, I would hope you would push the new DPA reps to do the same even though you voted for ALPA.
If anything, the timing is perfect to show management how engaged the rank and file is on these topics...and that weenies need not apply to be reps.
Carl
If anything, the timing is perfect to show management how engaged the rank and file is on these topics...and that weenies need not apply to be reps.
Carl
DPA would have to illustrate a superior plan to unify pilots performing Delta flying to get me on board and overall, I'm certainly satisfied with the results we are getting from D ALPA.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 09-29-2010 at 05:58 AM.
09-29-2010, 06:02 AM
#703
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 12,037
Their loyalty as "Delta pilots" isn't questioned. But why wouldn't one question their loyalty to "ALPA?"
09-29-2010, 06:05 AM
#704
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 12,037
In politics you see which train is headed the closest to your intended destination and get on board.
In the case of the DPA, they use ALPA's circa 2000 arguments of divisiveness to justify their creation. That is a step backwards.
"Frustrated" isn't an action plan.
In the case of the DPA, they use ALPA's circa 2000 arguments of divisiveness to justify their creation. That is a step backwards.
"Frustrated" isn't an action plan.
09-29-2010, 06:12 AM
#705
Works Every Weekend
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 737 ATL
Posts: 3,506
That's just not true.
The machine up in Herndon is not "us". (that's the whole problem)
09-29-2010, 06:23 AM
#706
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 777 Sim Instructor
Posts: 745
My 2 cents: I find this thread highly entertaining and a little scary. I don't care who represents me but I do care on what they can deliver. The rhetoric sounds much like what i heard in DFW when the now ousted APA hardliners took over, restore pay rates (30-40%), better work rules, no PBS bidding, etc etc. They got absolutely nowhere,AA stonewalled them and the mediators told them to get real. There is a time value of money and the APA lost sight of the big picture. The silent majority then stepped in and elected a new administration that sounds very similar to our present (DALPA) administration, wonder why ?
How about political clout ? Most everybody on here thinks ALPA blew it on age 65 but the fact is once the ICAO passed 65 it was going to happen in the US, just a matter of time. The APA fought as hard as they could against age 65 spending time and money in DC trying to influence congress. How did that work out ? they couldn't even persuade their own congressman from the DFW area to vote against it. If we vote ALPA out then we will have to start from ground zero to get any political influence and these are not good times for that.
If the company calls me in or I have a medical issue I want ALPA on my side. What will the DPA offer ? Will they be as good or have the resources to do this. It takes time to build up coffers to offer all these services and negotiate a contract, where will the up front money come from ? I guess we all sign an iou to get something we already have.
My problem with DPA is they have noble ideas and their hearts are in the right place but I don't believe they will improve my lifestyle one iota. What is their plan to replace all the good things ALPA does and how are they going to pay for it in the near term.
How about political clout ? Most everybody on here thinks ALPA blew it on age 65 but the fact is once the ICAO passed 65 it was going to happen in the US, just a matter of time. The APA fought as hard as they could against age 65 spending time and money in DC trying to influence congress. How did that work out ? they couldn't even persuade their own congressman from the DFW area to vote against it. If we vote ALPA out then we will have to start from ground zero to get any political influence and these are not good times for that.
If the company calls me in or I have a medical issue I want ALPA on my side. What will the DPA offer ? Will they be as good or have the resources to do this. It takes time to build up coffers to offer all these services and negotiate a contract, where will the up front money come from ? I guess we all sign an iou to get something we already have.
My problem with DPA is they have noble ideas and their hearts are in the right place but I don't believe they will improve my lifestyle one iota. What is their plan to replace all the good things ALPA does and how are they going to pay for it in the near term.
09-29-2010, 06:31 AM
#707
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,716
09-29-2010, 06:47 AM
#708
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: 757/767 F/O
Posts: 74
It absolutely does. It's laughable to think that Delta would even bother with negotiating with ALPA if there's even a hint that ALPA would get voted off. It's the equivalent of George Bush saying there will be no airline strikes. You still go through the motions but the outcome has been predetermined. If this issue gains any real steam other than it's current internet discussion then the folks behind DPA will be doing more to delay restoration of our contract than they would be helping.
09-29-2010, 08:01 AM
#710
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,716
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