acl65pilot

I have been wondering that, and stating that for over a year. According to their leader, they want nothing to do with helping ALPA survive, of course that goes against the statement that they want what is best for the DAL pilot.

DALPA will be in place for the next deal and what is best for the DAL pilots it for that to be as good as possible. Trying to divide this group is a surefire way for this next deal to be substandard, and for all DAL pilots to have to deal with it for the next five to seven year. Not sure how that is what is best for all of us.

OccupyRestSeat

The "castle" is too far gone to bother "storming."
Even if DPA candidates took over every single LEC and even the MEC (which the entrenched bureaucrats would never allow), at the end of the day, we're still sending money to national...still funding the competition...and we're right back where we started.

OccupyRestSeat

I fixed that for you.

tsquare

That's a chicken**** response. If you truly have 4500 pilots in the doughnut group, you have more than enough to wield heavy influence from the inside.

OccupyRestSeat

It does not matter how much influence is "wielded from the inside." (Which I happen to think is also a "chicken sh!t" response).

At the end of the day, national's beuracracy is still in place. We'd still be forced to send money to national to support those ridiculous expenditures.

I don't understand why we would not want to keep 100% of Delta money strictly to be used by us and not by national, bureaucrats who by definition do not have our best interests solely at heart.

tsquare

Hey I don't want to pay dues that go to national anymore than I want part of my property taxes going to the school system to support YOUR kids, but it is what it is. I am more concerned about OUR union, and how THAT can be influenced. You (say) you have 4000 guys.. That is enough to influence not only OUR guys, but the national as well. Ever hear of the Tea Party? They exacted influence from the inside.. true, some say it has caused dysfunction, but the influence is nonetheless real.. The doughnut guys are out there with torches and flamethrowers, and I am not convinced that they can do anything that will have the Delta pilots better off. I will give you this though. I think that the DPA HAS caused the union to take a harder look at how they do business.

And I am still waiting for my response from Carl as to the written letter of acknowledgement from the DPA heads that there will never ever be any challenge to the SLI. I want it in writing from the man himself. When I see that.. maybe I wll show a little more interest. Until then.. I don't trust him. Sorry.

Timbo

Ok, let's play this out. DPA somehow motivates 100% of the Delta Pilots to go it alone in the next 3 months (or before openers). It's a pipe dream, I know, but just pretend for discussion.

What's the next step?

DPA walks into negotiations and throws down; "I want full restoration to C2K rates, adjusted for inflation, and we want 5% per year going forward, and we want...(insert list of about 100 other things here).

OK, so Richard picks up the phone and makes a call;

"Hello, NMB? We have these guys here who want to double our operating costs...No, it's not the APA, it's the DPA!"

NMB on other end of phone to the President of the ATA, our own King Ricard,

"Tell them we'll get right back to them...in about 5 years."

OK, then what?


I'm no DALPA cheerleader, I've voted against most of the concessionary T/A's they have brought us, but I've also volunteered (fo'free, no trip drops!) to help out on a lot of committees over the years. The single most frustrating thing for me to deal with is all the other appathetic pilots who can't find the time to stay informed or get involved. The Silent Majority, and the next most frustrating thing is, the RLA.

How is any new bargaining agent going to change those two things?

tsquare

Interjecting logic into a discussion about how great the DPA would be? Blasphemer!!!

scambo1

Occupy;

I am a DPA supporter and active. Most pilots on this board GET the fact that we send a bunch of money to DC. Most pilots GET the fact that some of that money funds smaller regional collective bargaining efforts. Most pilots GET the fact that national is a bloated, self serving beaurocracy.

There are a couple of things I dont get:

1. Why you seem to be so hostile to everyone. All that will result in is you getting blocked.

2. My opinion only, as a realist, DALPA is going to get a shot at section 6 round 1, not DPA: DPA really needs to rethink the all or nothing strategy leading up to section 6 and marshall the troops to do some LEC and MEC policy implementation...or the whole movement will be moot. Think about it.

On this board, we all know, very well, what is riding on the next contract. There are also a lot of donuts here. Lower the submachine gun and step out of the post office.

scambo1

T;
From the DPA website:

There is a rumor out there that DPA is seeking to overturn the Seniority List Integration. Is this true?

Absolutely not! That is a rumor being spread by ALPA proponents that is simply ridiculous. The list is permanent and not changeable. Anyone who is suggesting this idea should be challenged to describe a method for this to occur. They won’t be able to. The issue is dead and we are moving forward unified.