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Old 12-07-2011, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
Thanks, I've seen their website, but I am not sold for reasons I've mentioned on another post.

I had a question about DPA's position on 24J and whether they would accept that contractually required funding, I have not found the answer to that question on the website, if it's there, then please post it and where I can find the answer on their website.
Their mission statement pretty much sums it up for you. With specific questions I suggest you email them directly, different from ALPA you will get an answer.
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
Their mission statement pretty much sums it up for you. With specific questions I suggest you email them directly, different from ALPA you will get an answer.
I emailed them and asked if members and cards were the same number and how many cards they actually had on file that were current and valid.
No answer.
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
AA has been at it for 5 and CAL for over 2. 12 months' of negotiations are not nearly the "end of the normal process" or "it's because the NMB is not involved with openers or negotiations until the normal process has run its courses it"
The question posed to me was about OUR process regarding NMB entrance to OUR negotiations. Not AA's or CAL's. I don't know what their contract says about requesting mediation, I only know what our's says. That's why I posted the info that I did. It was and is absolutely correct.

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
What were some prior posts about using FACT instead of OPINION?? I think folks on here would take some of your posts more seriously if you could admit when you're wrong.
I can understand that, and I always admit when I get something wrong. The question now is: Will you?

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Old 12-07-2011, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
You know when Carl is wrong when he proclaims "you don't know what you are talking about" and then makes personal attacks on you.
Read the above post. Unless of course you consider this a personal attack.

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Old 12-07-2011, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I emailed them and asked if members and cards were the same number and how many cards they actually had on file that were current and valid.
No answer.
You're lying. They DO answer emails.

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Old 12-07-2011, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You're lying. They DO answer emails.

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I think he said they didn't answer his email, not all emails.
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I think he said they didn't answer his email, not all emails.
Yes, and it's not true. He's making it up. He will not back up this claim because he can't.

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Old 12-07-2011, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
Their mission statement pretty much sums it up for you. With specific questions I suggest you email them directly, different from ALPA you will get an answer.
This is what's so frustrating to a line pilot. If they are going to make a point about it by attacking ALPA, then I shouldn't have to e-mail them to find out where they stand, it ought to be in their C&BLs, or policy manual, or administrative manual, oopss, never mind, not available for view by the average Delta pilot, if they exist at all, or at the very least on their website.

We have DPA proponents declaring the conflict of interest of 24J, but yet there is no publication anywhere that DPA wouldn't take that money too
I expect more transparency from DPA.

DPA says they are different and more open, yet any Delta pilot can challenge or question ALPA's leadership on our forum, but DPA doesn't provide the same opportunity for dialogue. How can I truly judge DPA when I can't get to know their leadership or openly question them and have them on the record?

Maybe it's a bad analogy, but it's easy to throw mud, it's tougher to build a mud hut. I know that DPA can toss mud, but I have no way to determine if they are as adept in the building trades.

BTW, I've always had a quick response to my inquiries from ALPA.
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
This is what's so frustrating to a line pilot. If they are going to make a point about it by attacking ALPA, then I shouldn't have to e-mail them to find out where they stand, it ought to be in their C&BLs, or policy manual, or administrative manual, oopss, never mind, not available for view by the average Delta pilot, if they exist at all, or at the very least on their website.

We have DPA proponents declaring the conflict of interest of 24J, but yet there is no publication anywhere that DPA wouldn't take that money too
I expect more transparency from DPA.

DPA says they are different and more open, yet any Delta pilot can challenge or question ALPA's leadership on our forum, but DPA doesn't provide the same opportunity for dialogue. How can I truly judge DPA when I can't get to know their leadership or openly question them and have them on the record?

Maybe it's a bad analogy, but it's easy to throw mud, it's tougher to build a mud hut. I know that DPA can toss mud, but I have no way to determine if they are as adept in the building trades.

BTW, I've always had a quick response to my inquiries from ALPA.
Since your main questions appear to be about DPA, let's discuss them on the DPA thread. OK?

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Old 12-07-2011, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yes, and it's not true. He's making it up. He will not back up this claim because he can't.

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I have no way of knowing whether he's telling the truth or not, but as a Delta pilot I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, so in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I believe him.

I'm sure DPA get's plenty of e-mails so I wouldn't be surprised if some don't get answered. It just happens, no need to be overly defensive about it.

FWIW, I sent DPA an e-mail and got a response from TC, it was with regards to the C&BLs being finalized. He assured me that it would be done when they reach 50% of the cards required for a vote. I appreciate his response.

Now that they are at 4K in the card count, I'd like to see the C&BLs, I was reviewing the DPA DOCs section of the website, but didn't find it. Does anyone know if its been publish so that the average line guy can see how DPA will function?
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