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11-28-2011, 05:34 PM

#6871

Timbo

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Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

OK, Timbo. I'm just not one to give up on my family's financial future and the career I worked so hard to achieve. But whatever floats your boat (or sailboat, as the case may be

). Enjoy the football game... if there is one tonight. Maybe the Giants will forfeit the game, since the Saints have a better record.

Well, if the Saints bought and paid for the Reffs, then yes, the Giants should stay home. That's the problem we have, the guys who ultimately will decide our contract (the NMB) are already bought and paid for, and not by Us, but by Management.

I gave up on this career when 42% of my pay and my $1.4 Million DB plan went down the toilet, with the blessing of ALPA. Now I just want to sell the house, buy a boat and head for the islands. Maybe I can get a job flying an Otter down there, might be fun to "fly" for a change.

Last edited by Timbo; 11-28-2011 at 08:18 PM. Reason: sp nazis

11-28-2011, 05:40 PM

#6872

OccupyRestSeat

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Joined APC: Nov 2011

Posts: 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

I gave up

There you have it.

I commend your integrity for saying so, but despise the fact that you are dragging the rest of us down.

11-28-2011, 05:43 PM

#6873

Timbo

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Joined APC: Dec 2009

Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .

Posts: 7,756

How am I draggin YOU down?

And what have YOU done to lift us up?

How'd you vote on the last T/A, and the one before that, and the one before that??

I think you need to put that on the 70% who always vote YES to concessions.

Last edited by Timbo; 11-29-2011 at 05:39 AM. Reason: spiritual purity

11-28-2011, 06:12 PM

#6874

TheManager

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Joined APC: Jan 2010

Posts: 1,503

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Carl;

It may be a slow process, but it is not one that is "silly."

WRT to the FPL resolution, talk to your reps. That issue had its day,and though the process of these resolutions will come more transparency wrt to FPL. Not perfect but it is progress.

Not satisfactory at all. The FPL resolution should never had to happen in the first place being that there is an ALPA National guidance on this issue.

This is a lame attempt to appease while they continue to try and hide the real numbers.

Change from within will not work if this is a template for how that is supposed to work. 4000 + and increasing.

11-28-2011, 07:34 PM

#6875

Carl Spackler

Back on TDY

Joined APC: Apr 2008

Position: 747-400 Captain

Posts: 12,487

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Carl;

It may be a slow process, but it is not one that is "silly."

Wow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

WRT to the FPL resolution, talk to your reps.

I have. They're mad about this issue. That's why they submitted the resolution and fought so hard for it. But as I've been trying to tell you, they don't matter. In our top-down union, they simply don't matter.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

That issue had its day,and though the process of these resolutions will come more transparency wrt to FPL. Not perfect but it is progress.

If we are to be totally undone by the few who hope to cash in on a corrupt system, this will be how it's done. People like acl65pilot here who call the willful neglect and ultimate ignoring of this kind of resolution "progress". Progress!

So this is changing ALPA from within. This is progress. If I was management, I would have no respect whatsoever for a group of people who stood for this...much less make excuses for it by actually calling it "progress".

You're hopless acl. You're not even a serious person.

Carl

11-28-2011, 07:44 PM

#6876

Carl Spackler

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Joined APC: Apr 2008

Position: 747-400 Captain

Posts: 12,487

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheManager

Not satisfactory at all. The FPL resolution should never had to happen in the first place being that there is an ALPA National guidance on this issue.

This is so true. The same way a certain charity was forced to release data on where their non-charitable expenses went. How could you fight that? But as you state, how could you ever have been forced to in the first place?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheManager

This is a lame attempt to appease while they continue to try and hide the real numbers.

Exactly correct. DALPA simply cannot tolerate us knowing how irresistible that union honey pot is. Releasing it would literally be their end. And that says all you need to know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheManager

Change from within will not work if this is a template for how that is supposed to work. 4000 + and increasing.

Totally agree.

Carl

11-28-2011, 08:35 PM

#6877

DAL73n

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Joined APC: Dec 2009

Position: 737n/FO

Posts: 667

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

I don't think there are too many pilots who will vote yes to a T/A that doesn't AT LEAST match our 737 rates to SWA's 737 rates, and then go up from there. I think that's what I put on my Survey, ie. SWA + for our 737's. That's the simple part. But it's all those other details that will get the yes/no votes.

I've been p/o'd at National ALPA since they signed off on the B scale, which at the time, only American, a NON-ALPA carrier had! National could have 'drawn a line in the sand' (I can't even say that with a straight face!) way back then, and put a quick end to it back then, but instead they let that cancer into all ALPA contracts. They are completely unwilling to call for a SOS for...anything, not loss of retirements, or getting rid of Lorenzo, or...? and without that, they are a paper tiger, and Management knows it.

Now, how is any -new- organization going to be any better? They going to call a SOS?? And who's going to answer that call? And when the judge tells us to resume flying, are we going to say HELL NO, and go to jail?

Absent that conviction, we are pretty much screwed, and Management knows it, so does LM, that's what drives his "let's all just get along" strategy. I don't like it, but that's the political reality we all face.

I think we need to consider the whole package. In addition to a pay raise and tightened scope I think the biggest improvement we need to look for is better duty rigs. OUR'S SUCK. If we get our duty rig changed to 6 hours/calendar day (with appropriate duty day and trip rig protecions) that would be the biggest improvement in the contract. Out here is LAX we have a number of 10.5 THREE day trips - that means to get to ALV we have to due 7 of these which means 21 days of work. The 6.0 daily rig means you would only work 12 days to reach an ALV of 72 hours. Then factor in a 30% pay raise, increase in DC contribution to 20%, and yearly COLAs of 5% and I think we've got a contract that is pretty good. There are a lot of other things that we need (I think reserves are only worked 15-16 days vs our 18-19 days.) Those are just a few of the things I'm looking at for this contract.l

11-29-2011, 05:31 AM

#6878

Rather B Fishin

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Posts: 478

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

90 days after our contract's amendable date of 12-31-12. With openers exchanged in April of 2012, that's 12 months of negotiations before the NMB even enters the picture.

Carl

AA has been at it for 5 and CAL for over 2. 12 months' of negotiations are not nearly the "end of the normal process" or "it's because the NMB is not involved with openers or negotiations until the normal process has run its courses it"

What were some prior posts about using FACT instead of OPINION?? I think folks on here would take some of your posts more seriously if you could admit when you're wrong.