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11-27-2011, 07:36 PM
#6831
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I would suggest that you ask your LEC rep where he stands on the issue and how he plans on taking action on such a measure, after all, you had the opportunity to vote in the election that put him in office.
I asked my rep recently and was surprisingly satisfied with the answer he gave.
11-27-2011, 07:39 PM
#6832
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That sums it up.
When AZ was added our percentage of the EASK's was 47.2%. We got a 50-50 between DAL and those three carriers. We originally had a 50-50 with AF and because of this DAL pushed for this. Because we will ultimately fly more on a percentage basis than we would have if we would have just added AZ and leaved the eask's alone, a new three year measurement window was started in April of 2011. As soon as DAL comes to 50-50(49-75%) a new measurement period starts, and there is no look back.
The projection is to be at or near 50-50 in 2013 after the lie flat mods are completed. Remember that when AZ was added we were at 47.2% of the total EASKs There are no floors in total eask's and the balance is only measure in a percentage of the total.
When AZ was added our percentage of the EASK's was 47.2%. We got a 50-50 between DAL and those three carriers. We originally had a 50-50 with AF and because of this DAL pushed for this. Because we will ultimately fly more on a percentage basis than we would have if we would have just added AZ and leaved the eask's alone, a new three year measurement window was started in April of 2011. As soon as DAL comes to 50-50(49-75%) a new measurement period starts, and there is no look back.
The projection is to be at or near 50-50 in 2013 after the lie flat mods are completed. Remember that when AZ was added we were at 47.2% of the total EASKs There are no floors in total eask's and the balance is only measure in a percentage of the total.
11-27-2011, 07:46 PM
#6833
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I'm not as concerned about the company as I am the NMB. If we can get through the NMB, we'll have the leverage to get it done. If we lose the NMB from the start, then it's probably going to be a long negotiation (think APA). Imagine we're still trying to get this contract done in 2017. I'd rather be finishing up our follow on contract at that point, not this one.
11-27-2011, 07:53 PM
#6834
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I'm not as concerned about the company as I am the NMB. If we can get through the NMB, we'll have the leverage to get it done. If we lose the NMB from the start, then it's probably going to be a long negotiation (think APA). Imagine we're still trying to get this contract done in 2017. I'd rather be finishing up our follow on contract at that point, not this one.
Carl
11-27-2011, 07:56 PM
#6835
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Why are you asking an anonymous question to other anonymous people and thinking that you will get a legitimate answer? "DALPA" doesn't exist as a person, nor is APC a valid source for anything relating to the functions of your union (if you are a Delta Pilot anyway, don't know if any other unions use APC for their official dissemination of information.
I would suggest that you ask your LEC rep where he stands on the issue and how he plans on taking action on such a measure, after all, you had the opportunity to vote in the election that put him in office.
I asked my rep recently and was surprisingly satisfied with the answer he gave.
I would suggest that you ask your LEC rep where he stands on the issue and how he plans on taking action on such a measure, after all, you had the opportunity to vote in the election that put him in office.
I asked my rep recently and was surprisingly satisfied with the answer he gave.
Carl
11-27-2011, 08:02 PM
#6836
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11-27-2011, 08:07 PM
#6837
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
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Not always true. Some processes actually spell out NMB " intervention" well before the "end" of the normal process. Just like we have negotiated opening section six negotiations 6 months prior to the amendable date we may have spelled out time lines for NMB mediated sessions.
11-27-2011, 08:10 PM
#6838
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We may well end up with them, but that has nothing to do with someone who is worried about our opener "losing" the NMB from the beginning. It's because the NMB is not involved with openers or negotiations until the normal process has run its course.
Carl
Carl
11-27-2011, 08:13 PM
#6839
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Not always true. Some processes actually spell out NMB " intervention" well before the "end" of the normal process. Just like we have negotiated opening section six negotiations 6 months prior to the amendable date we may have spelled out time lines for NMB mediated sessions.
Carl
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