clancy

Carl, you are incorrect regarding the 90 days. A 3 year window was established back with LOA 16. Additionally, check LOA 16.1.P.4.a. "capacity adjusted as a result of the inclusion of a third party carrier..." This is the part that indicates Alitalia would be included at a later date. MOU 14 continues the 3 year look back of LOA 16. It does not change it from something different to 3 years. Additionally, the window of non-compliance was tightened.


So MOU 14 returned the proportion to 50/50, and tightened the window of compliance. Additionally, it provided downside protection where the previous agreements did not.

Once again, a complaint about MOU 14 displays a lack of understanding of the JV.

80ktsClamp

I believe it was in the email talking about the latest MEC meeting. You should have gotten it in your email. I was upset about the opener not being published until I saw that clarification from the proverbial horse's mouth.

If you're going to direct your anger somewhere, at least made it somewhere valid.

Carl Spackler

Geez you're thin skinned sometimes. I'm not angry with you. I only said that unlike what you posted, I've not seen the clarification that you saw. That's all.

Carl

80ktsClamp

I never thought, said, nor implied you were angry with me. You're angry with ALPA, but you are misinformed in this regard and should have already known otherwise. The email was sent out to all members at least a week or two ago.

clancy

76drvr wrote:

After the first rolling three year average, how often do they look back, every three years, or do they look back three years every year?


I'm in over my head trying to respond to this. From what I understand, we are in a measurement period that started April 2011, and runs to March 2014. If during this measurement period, we are not in compliance, there is a one year period where Delta can "fix" the problem. The important thing to remember here is that because of the profit/loss arrangement of the JV, the company does not want to be out of compliance. They may have pulled down Transatlantic flying earlier than AF/KLM/AZ but AF/KLM/AZ will not want to keep their flying up, bear the costs of those flights, and then give away half the profit to Delta. The old AF/KLM JV required us to share growth proportionally. It did not address what happened if there was shrinkage. LOA 16 and MOU 14 did that, and also returned the proportion to 50/50 approximately.

Beyond this, you need to talk to someone at ALPA that can give you a full explanation.

Carl Spackler

Well then would you care to post it, or do you want to just continue being a ****?

Carl

80ktsClamp

I don't have it in my email anymore. I guess I'll continue being a ****.

Once I get on my imputer later I'll do what you could be doing now and find it on the ALPA site. It would be right at the top.

OccupyRestSeat

I found it. You didn't miss much. A healthy dose of fluff wrapped in a very thinly-veiled prompt to "shut up and color...we know what's best for you. Oh, and don't worry about the survey results. Just relax and let it happen."

November 23, 2011



Your MEC met last week in Atlanta for our November regular meeting. While we conducted business typical of any regular MEC meeting, substantial time was dedicated to preparing for Section 6, any potential though currently unforeseen consolidation transactions, or other opportunities. In particular, we spent a significant amount of time reviewing the results of the recent Contract Survey and continuing to develop our strategic plan.


On Tuesday, our Communication Committee and ___ (Wilson Polling) briefed the demographics of the survey results. We are very pleased to report that overall participation was robust, and the pilot group was very well represented across a wide variety of pilot demographics including seniority, longevity, aircraft category, age, council affiliation, regular/reserve status and commuter status. In short, with your help, we achieved survey results with not only a very low margin of error but also a very high confidence level.



On Wednesday, the Negotiating Committee briefed us on the actual survey results. It is crystal clear to us that the survey was a major success, not only in its crafting, but also in its execution. Thank you to those who took the time to participate in this critically important endeavor. The Contract Survey will be one of the primary tools we use as we direct the Negotiating Committee to develop our opener within the next few months.


The results of the survey will remain confidential for obvious strategic reasons, but let us make this unequivocal point: We have heard you loud and clear.



Throughout the week, we also participated in a variety of valuable strategic planning activities. We plan to meet again early next year to continue from where we left off.



While Section 6 negotiations are often the avenue for significant contractual improvements, we’d like to take a moment to highlight Letter of Agreement #31- Scheduling Modifications, which was unanimously ratified by the MEC last Friday. Within a couple of hours of the ratification, you should have received Negotiators’ Notepad 11-11, which explains the provisions of LOA #31in great detail, but we’d like to point out some key elements of this agreement. LOA #31 addresses recovery flying by:

 Eliminating recovery obligations for a first officer who has been removed from his rotation under Section 23 G. 5. for another pilot’s OE
 Eliminating recovery obligations for a pilot who has been removed from his rotation under Section 23 K. due to a cancellation that was known prior to having been awarded the rotation or the close of line bidding Providing for more limited availability for, and increased use of seniority when being assigned recovery flying under Section 23 K.

Recovery flying issues have been a major source of concern for many Delta pilots, and this LOA addresses those concerns in a very significant way. To be more direct, this LOA is a tremendous accomplishment, and importantly, it was achieved outside the bounds of Section 6 negotiations through constructive engagement. Looking forward, we will continue to take advantage of every opportunity to improve the professional working lives of the Delta pilots.

We also heard from the Retirement & Insurance Committee. At our August meeting, we asked the committee to develop a position “that clearly state[s] the MEC’s intentions and commitments to preserve the retirement benefits of all Delta pilots” and present that position to us at this meeting. The committee recommended a position, which we fully and unanimously endorse. It can be summarized as follows: substantially improve the professional lives of over 12,000 Delta pilots and their families. We believe, that with the support of the Delta pilots, we will be successful in achieving that goal!

As the holiday season rapidly approaches, it’s appropriate to reflect on everything we have to be thankful for. To those fortunate enough to be with family and friends this weekend, enjoy that time together; for those who will be flying the line, thank you in advance for providing our passengers with the safe and enjoyable travel experience they deserve.


Respectfully,
Your Elected Representatives

jabwmu

I didn't see anything that says Alpa would reveal the opener either. Just that they won't be sharing the survey results.

Carl Spackler

Agreed. There is no clarification at all.

Carl