Carl Spackler

Yes that is Pineapple Guys' defense. It alternates between how many DPA cards there are and something about Lee Seham. If my job was to excuse ALPA, I might have to deflect with these transparent arguments as well.

It's a great question...and one he obviously can't answer without changing the subject.

Red herrings are pretty much it with him.

Carl

eaglefly

Where have I seen this before ?

Carl Spackler

Was this MOU signed after AF/KLM was already imbalanced in their favor? I believe it was. Which would beg another question: Why would the DALPA chairman allow for two additional years of imbalance in favor of AF/KLM? It's obvious why management wants it...it's because we are their last resort for flying the Delta brand. But are we also the last choice of our own MEC?

Carl

Carl Spackler

Furthermore, why on Earth would DALPA tell us that we won't get to see the opener even AFTER it's exchanged with management? Why? Shouldn't they be proud to show their own members what their opener is?

Carl

OccupyRestSeat

Very true. But from what I've seen, there's plenty of transparency...

-The hypocrisy: Accusing the DPA of same while obscuring (and probably blowing off) the survey results.

-The pathetic attempts at vilifying and demagogue-ing opposing viewpoints, no matter how legitimate. My 3-year-old would see through them immediately. Frankly, it strikes me as highly arrogant.

TheManager

MOU 14 was entered into agreement with TO'M and SD representing DAL. With a strike of a pen, our livelyhoods were material effected as the look back for transatlantic JV compliance was reset from 1 to 3 years.

With the MOU, the MEC was left out of the decsion making process unlike a LOA.

As we are seeing a reduction in wide body pilots and stagnant progression as our JV partners prosper, ask yourselves why would ALPA do this to their pilots?

Is this how they are going to represent us in future negotiations with the company?

Whose interests are they looking out for? How much money is this going to cost your family? How about your seat progression/position?

hoserpilot

Pineapple - This question was finally answered a couple weeks ago. The number is active cards. I think Carl stated that the number goes up and down. Its like gold though, a slow climb up.

Pineapple Guy

You have GOT to be kidding me. You are not that dumb, scambo. Does anyone walk into the car dealer, and tell them their exact bottom line?

Carl Spackler

The survey doesn't show our bottom line. DALPA could produce a summary of the survey results...but they won't. DALPA could show us the opener after it is exchanged with management...but they won't. Why is that PG? Why can't we as members know what management knows about OUR opener?

Hint: The answer has nothing to do with Lee Seham or how many DPA cards there are.

Carl

scambo1

Why would I kid you. I am not a DALPA hater, but at the same time I do not trust them either.

What we are talking about here really is more like me hiring a negotiator and telling that negotiator what I want. In the spirit of clear communication and trust, that negotiator would repeat back to me what I want - before negotiating on my behalf.

Who is the survey being kept secret from and why?

Do you think JG and SD think the pilots are happy with the current contract? Do you think they do not have some idea what the pilots want to improve and by how much?

In the L&G thread, I mentioned I was in the market for a car. I am using the USAA buying service to determine what I will be paying. Dealers who cant or wont match that price dont get the sale. That is not at all the same as Delta pilot contract negotiations. We are the pilots, Delta is our company. We aren't shopping for the best price and we dont have any other dealerships to go talk to.

I believe in God. No one else gets that level of faith from me. There is far too much proof that the DALPA MEC likes their gig more than they like my welfare.