DAL 88 Driver

[sigh] Where do I start?

First, you are speculating about the "efficiencies gained" and a supposed reduction in pilots for us. Because SWA's work rules are so different than ours, it's hard to do an apples to apples comparison. The closest thing I can find to "apples to apples" is W2 and number of days worked. I figure it's Delta's problem to figure out how to use us efficiently in Delta's operation. I just want to be paid appropriately for the number of days I work. As I see it, I don't really care that much how they utilize me during those work days... as long as I can get enough time to eat during the duty day and I can get enough time on the layover to get 8 hours of sleep.

SWA Captain - over $230K/year averaging 12 days per month

Delta MD-88 Captain - about $150K/year averaging ? days per month (I'm going to guess it's 14 or 15 days per month... I highly doubt it's 12 or lower.)

That's as "apples to apples" as I can come up with (without speculating)... and that comparison requires a 56% increase to equalize our MD-88 Captain with the average SWA Captain.

Now for some more speculation: My guess is that SWA's work rules might actually increase the requirement for number of pilots at Delta. Have you really looked at their work rules?

Oh... and one more thing. 14% of $150,300 is LESS than 9.3% of $234,436! Think about it.

DAL 88 Driver

There are 3 trip examples given in the Air Tran welcome packet. The TFP/day averages on those trips respectively are: 7, 8, and 9.5. I don't know what their total average is.

Carl Spackler

I'm going to give this one more try sailingfun. My last response to you included our posts back to back and I asked you to re-read them and show us how you misquoted me. You not only failed to do that, but you've posted the same misquote here again three times.

If YOU want a shred of credibility around here, show us that you have the ability to read.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I'm only talking W2's here because I'm only comparing SWAPA's average W2's. It's a very fair comparison when you use the same income document (W2's).

Carl

Carl Spackler

What shiz, no correction for the Coriolis Effect? What about sunspots? Surely that might make us equal with SWA.

Unbelievable that you would post your personal opinion and pure conjecture as if it were fact. I just can't figure out why you guys go to these lengths to aid management in their quest to minimize our cost and maximize their bonuses.

Carl

shiznit

Cut the emotional hyperbole man, seriously. It doesn't do anything constructive.

DAL 88's napkin math is no more fact than mine....... Where did I say I am aiding management, I want max raises and increase to QOL as much as the next guy. I don't remember referencing anyone's cost/bonus. If anything, it proves that NONE of the keyboard warriors (me included) has access to complete and full data to draw accurate comparisons. I do know that we are lagging FDX pilots presently, and they were double digits behind the majors at the turn of the millenium.

Didn't see your comment about the other calculation being "your personal opinion and pure conjecture as if it were fact".

Why do I bother to read your posts, I put you on the ignore list for a reason....Because you are rarely reasonable.

I'm with DAL 88 when it comes to using W2 divided by days worked as a great metric to gauge our compensation versus our peers. We need to be at or near the top of the pile considering how profitable our company has been and continues to be, but we need to make sure our comparison is accurate and that we properly understand what we are measuring.

Carl Spackler

Well I asked sailingfun to re-read his post and to correct his errors. He's chosen instead to go into the witness protection program and come back only after people have forgotten. Again. Here is sailingfun's statement:

I've really emphasized the key word that sailingfun simply couldn't seem to find was in error. Here is what I actually said:

Notice how I didn't say what sailingfun was so angry about? I did not compare the average SWA copilot to the average DAL captain. Rather I compared the average SWA copilot to an MD88 captain at DAL. But that didn't stop old sailingfun, even after I asked him to re-read his posts. Instead, he just laid out the same false premise...even louder:

Hard to command the credibility high ground when someone points out the error in your posts, and you refuse to correct it. Instead, you just say it louder.

Carl

Carl Spackler

If you're going to get angry, you should at least accurately describe the context. My response to you was not emotional hyperbole, it was sarcasm at your blatantly false attempt at mathematics.

I'm sure you do. But you only want it if management makes the case that it's OK for you to have it. Since you continually make the case for management's arguments, that's an inescapable conclusion.

Whatever.

I agree that is one good metric. See, not so unreasonable after all.

Carl

OccupyRestSeat

New guy here. Apologies if I'm rehashing any previous discussions.

Trying to figure out why I'm providing money to ALPA national to subsidize those who would undercut us.

- Isn't that a conflict of interest?

- Can't we get insurance, medical, etc. without ALPA?

- Why I am subsidizing secretaries and magazine writers who are paid more than me?

- Why does Lee Moak need a car allowance on my dime?

- What exactly has ALPA done with its "political influence," save costing me 5 years of Captains' pay?

- Why is there any debate on why we should have dumped ALPA last year?

thanks.

Carl Spackler

No apology needed for the rehash. You've simply listed a few of the questions that ALPA won't directly answer.

Have you turned in a DPA card, or are you still studying it?

Carl