Delta Pilots Association
11-15-2011, 07:27 PM
#6722
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 793
Which is where (minimum) I better be the first day after the proposed contract is to be signed or it's an unequivocal NO. (6 yr FO). Hopefully the majority of others feel the same way. DPA or no DPA this is what must be. Don't try to dismiss DPA as fracturing ALPA in regard to negotiations. If DALPA is the one representing Delta Pilots in negotiations all its members are behind them getting the best contract. There should be no excuses: GET IT RIGHT. If you do then there is the proof we need. Walk the walk is all I'm saying. Do so and you will be rewarded. Don't and suffer the consequences. I expect results, not excuses. Do not let me down.
11-15-2011, 07:40 PM
#6723
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Which is where (minimum) I better be the first day after the proposed contract is to be signed or it's an unequivocal NO. (6 yr FO). Hopefully the majority of others feel the same way. DPA or no DPA this is what must be. Don't try to dismiss DPA as fracturing ALPA in regard to negotiations. If DALPA is the one representing Delta Pilots in negotiations all its members are behind them getting the best contract. There should be no excuses: GET IT RIGHT. If you do then there is the proof we need. Walk the walk is all I'm saying. Do so and you will be rewarded. Don't and suffer the consequences. I expect results, not excuses. Do not let me down.
11-15-2011, 08:07 PM
#6724
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Carl, I would love to see your actual W2 at the end of the year. If your on the 747 making 187 your so far below the average your off the chart. There were 747 guys who made over 50k in one month last winter. Come on over to the 767 and make another 50 grand. The average pilot at Delta in 2010 made 142,000.00 In 2011 that number is going to be above 150. The average pilot at Delta got 87 pay hours per month. The average over the last 5 years has been around 1050 hours per year and that includes the lean years on 08/09.
The average Captain is over 170K. How you can turn that into a statement that 142K is way more then that is beyond me.
The average Captain is over 170K. How you can turn that into a statement that 142K is way more then that is beyond me.
Sailing;
Really? With all due respect, you are mistaken at least in my reality.
My last trip was with a reserve 777 Capt. He made $165K last year. I made $165K in years 3, 4 and 5 at DAL as an FO.
I flew a trip 2 months ago with a senior 777 A who got a greenslip about every other month and made $280K...I know this because as we taxied past a SWA jet I said "the capt of that 130 seat jet makes more than you do." He said "I made $280K last year, but I worked my a$$ off for it."
My taxable W-2 last year from DAL was almost an even $125K that was with about 50% reserve 50% lineholder.
I dont trip park and I green and whiteslip when it fits into my life and the trips are available. I haven't had a greenslip in 3 years and whiteslips are slim to none. I do commute. And I know we are underpaid. WAY underpaid. If 777B cant make what you say the "average" DAL pilot makes, who can?
11-16-2011, 06:40 AM
#6725
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,704
Thanks for answering the question. I thougt the number was just members. Since it is actually valid cards that makes the number more impressive. I wonder how much higher the membership number is? I know many cards from the initial push have expired. Why hasn't DPA reached out to those folks to renew their interest cards? That alone could push the numbers up a few hundred within a couple weeks. Most people are inherently lazy. Sending a self addressed stamped interest card to previous contacts that have expired cards might spur some renewed interest.
11-16-2011, 07:06 AM
#6726
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,704
Look sailing, I know this is difficult for you to believe. You've never believed any of us former NWA guys when we tried to tell you that our pay has gone backward AFTER the merger. The rates went up, but our pay went DOWN.
Look at the 747 captain lines recently. Many, many are BELOW 70 hours. Our ALV this month is 72. Often times I bid reserve so that I can make at least 70 hours. As far as open time, forget about it. You can make up all the numbers you want about average time being 87 hours per month, but it's just not true. The truth is that I make just under 40,000 more per year than the AVERAGE Southwest Airlines copilot. No amount of dreamweaving on your part will change those facts dude.
Carl
Look at the 747 captain lines recently. Many, many are BELOW 70 hours. Our ALV this month is 72. Often times I bid reserve so that I can make at least 70 hours. As far as open time, forget about it. You can make up all the numbers you want about average time being 87 hours per month, but it's just not true. The truth is that I make just under 40,000 more per year than the AVERAGE Southwest Airlines copilot. No amount of dreamweaving on your part will change those facts dude.
Carl
Your statement was simple. You said the AVERAGE SW copilot makes WAY more then the AVERAGE DELTA CAPTAIN.
Sadly after having it up only 5 minutes I had to pull my bet post with Carl after being told you can't gamble here. I could have used the money. I ask again CARL to produce numbers backing your statement the AVERAGE COPILOT at SW make more then the AVERAGE CAPTAIN at DELTA. Cite a source. I will give you the MIT data mined from airline government reports.
In 2010 a year without profit sharing the average PILOT at Delta made 142K. The average pilot at SW made 166K. 2011 will be closer since we had a 4 percent raise. That is from government form 40 reports.
In no way am I saying that we make enough or make what SW is making. What I am saying is that you lose all credibility when you make statements like THE AVERAGE SW COPILOT MAKES WAY MORE THEN THE AVERAGE DELTA CAPTAIN.
Last edited by sailingfun; 11-16-2011 at 07:33 AM.
11-16-2011, 08:11 AM
#6727
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 737 Capt
Posts: 1,166
Sailing;
Really? With all due respect, you are mistaken at least in my reality.
My last trip was with a reserve 777 Capt. He made $165K last year. I made $165K in years 3, 4 and 5 at DAL as an FO.
I flew a trip 2 months ago with a senior 777 A who got a greenslip about every other month and made $280K...I know this because as we taxied past a SWA jet I said "the capt of that 130 seat jet makes more than you do." He said "I made $280K last year, but I worked my a$$ off for it."
My taxable W-2 last year from DAL was almost an even $125K that was with about 50% reserve 50% lineholder.
I dont trip park and I green and whiteslip when it fits into my life and the trips are available. I haven't had a greenslip in 3 years and whiteslips are slim to none. I do commute. And I know we are underpaid. WAY underpaid. If 777B cant make what you say the "average" DAL pilot makes, who can?
Really? With all due respect, you are mistaken at least in my reality.
My last trip was with a reserve 777 Capt. He made $165K last year. I made $165K in years 3, 4 and 5 at DAL as an FO.
I flew a trip 2 months ago with a senior 777 A who got a greenslip about every other month and made $280K...I know this because as we taxied past a SWA jet I said "the capt of that 130 seat jet makes more than you do." He said "I made $280K last year, but I worked my a$$ off for it."
My taxable W-2 last year from DAL was almost an even $125K that was with about 50% reserve 50% lineholder.
I dont trip park and I green and whiteslip when it fits into my life and the trips are available. I haven't had a greenslip in 3 years and whiteslips are slim to none. I do commute. And I know we are underpaid. WAY underpaid. If 777B cant make what you say the "average" DAL pilot makes, who can?
Your W2 sounds almost identical to mine....... The only exception to the above for me is I never have been able to get a GS!
11-16-2011, 08:25 AM
#6728
Sho me da money!
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: B25, Left
Posts: 947
11-16-2011, 08:48 AM
#6729
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,704
Remember your W2 is not your income. If you cite income made at SW you need to use the same base at Delta. My W2 did not include 16,500 to the 401k, 5000 to the 401k catchup and 6000 to the health account. To arrive at a income number for comparison purposes you have to add all that back into the W2 number. For me thats a 26,500 dollar a year addition.
11-16-2011, 08:51 AM
#6730
Sho me da money!
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: B25, Left
Posts: 947
Remember your W2 is not your income. If you cite income made at SW you need to use the same base at Delta. My W2 did not include 16,500 to the 401k, 5000 to the 401k catchup and 6000 to the health account. To arrive at a income number for comparison purposes you have to add all that back into the W2 number. For me thats a 26,500 dollar a year addition.
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