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11-14-2011, 08:56 AM
#6701
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During the Mesa litigation it was revealed that Delta had paid millions of dollars in performance bonuses to Mesa while at the same time cancelling Mesa's contract for poor performance. When asked why they paid Mesa millions extra, the answer was "because they sent a bill." It made me wonder if I had sent a bill, would Ed's department have mailed me a check for a few million bucks!
Ed should have gotten some sleep and spent his time monitoring the activities of the employees who were in his direct chain of command.Due to our outsourcing Ed will probably not be around to host an In Command group which includes me, but I'd like to hear an apology from him. We did our jobs. His Department failed to perform it's most basic accounts payable diligence.
Ed should have gotten some sleep and spent his time monitoring the activities of the employees who were in his direct chain of command.Due to our outsourcing Ed will probably not be around to host an In Command group which includes me, but I'd like to hear an apology from him. We did our jobs. His Department failed to perform it's most basic accounts payable diligence.
Carl
11-14-2011, 08:59 AM
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11-14-2011, 09:09 AM
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1. ALPA's conflicted relationship with us
2. ALPA choosing to do what they did to the TWA pilots
3. ALPA choosing to do what they did to their own in-house union of clerical employees
4. ALPA lawyers lying about an opposing council, then being fined and sanctioned via Rule 11 for the lie.
These are just some of the items that ALPA has chosen to pursue in its path toward its unknown agenda. These are just some of the items that make many of us dissatisfied and embarrassed. We have the right to say so, and the right to pursue a democratic alternative under the law. ALPA has the right to show us they can do better.
Need proof? Go back to my post - the chanting for C2K "restoration" - a contract ALPA negotiated when "karma" was up and we had leverage. Do you remember all the anti-ALPA, pro-DPA chanting back then? No. What you should remember is what a pilot group can do when there isn't a bunch of DPA yahoos converting their emotion into distraction.
Carl
11-15-2011, 06:32 AM
#6704
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“As pilots look at the components of the proposal, there may be some who describe it as concessionary,” American said on its website. “The reality is that in virtually every area of the proposal, we have offered industry-leading terms.”
To help resolve differences, American offered two options on pivotal points such as compensation, productivity, pension and benefits.
Under one of American’s proposed pay plans, pilots would get a 4 percent average raise on the date the contract is signed, followed by a 3 percent boost after 15 months, and increases of 2 percent after 30 months and again after 45 months.
The second option offers a 5 percent average increase at signing, followed by a 4 percent jump after 12 months, a 2 percent increase after 24 months and 3 percent after 36 months.
Pilots had sought a 10 percent signing bonus, followed by 7 percent raises in each of the next three years.
“I don’t see us moving off that figure,” Hoban (APA) said on Nov. 13. “It’s a pretty reasonable offer.”
Jim Corridore, a Standard & Poor’s equity analyst in New York, said yesterday that an accord that includes the pilots’ pay plan would help drag AMR into bankruptcy. Absent “significant work-rule changes and productivity gains to cut costs, this contract is a loser,” said Corridore, who recommends holding the shares.
New union accords, including one for the 8,700 APA- represented pilots, are the final piece of a plan to return AMR to profit and make American competitive, according to the airline.
To help resolve differences, American offered two options on pivotal points such as compensation, productivity, pension and benefits.
Under one of American’s proposed pay plans, pilots would get a 4 percent average raise on the date the contract is signed, followed by a 3 percent boost after 15 months, and increases of 2 percent after 30 months and again after 45 months.
The second option offers a 5 percent average increase at signing, followed by a 4 percent jump after 12 months, a 2 percent increase after 24 months and 3 percent after 36 months.
Pilots had sought a 10 percent signing bonus, followed by 7 percent raises in each of the next three years.
“I don’t see us moving off that figure,” Hoban (APA) said on Nov. 13. “It’s a pretty reasonable offer.”
Jim Corridore, a Standard & Poor’s equity analyst in New York, said yesterday that an accord that includes the pilots’ pay plan would help drag AMR into bankruptcy. Absent “significant work-rule changes and productivity gains to cut costs, this contract is a loser,” said Corridore, who recommends holding the shares.
New union accords, including one for the 8,700 APA- represented pilots, are the final piece of a plan to return AMR to profit and make American competitive, according to the airline.
And we're not even talking about the scope issue, just pay...
11-15-2011, 06:36 AM
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11-15-2011, 06:47 AM
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Compare Apples to Apples. You will gain credibility. You of all people should know the result when a group uses manipulated numbers to try and push for a result. The result they end up with can be unpleasant. The NMB when we get before it on this contract will have real numbers. Try making your statement that the average SW copilot makes far more then the average Delta Captain before the board. You will not look to smart when the real numbers are laid on the table.
11-15-2011, 06:51 AM
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Speaking of numbers Carl, Since you appear to represent DPA why don't you most how many current and valid cards they have on file. I asked that question and got a interesting answer? Hint, The number of members and number of cards is not the same.
11-15-2011, 07:08 AM
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Carl, The average copilot at SW does not make far more then the average Captain at Delta. Where do you come up with this stuff. The numbers are out there. Do a google search. I have posted them before. I just spent a bunch of time with a lot of SW pilots. They laughed at some of the stuff I told them was posted here. I also made more then everyone of the SW Captains so far this year. Only one out of 7 was going to break 250K. Most were going to be around 220. Of course they are guys who enjoy their time off and don't work 18 to 20 days a month like some SW pilots and some Delta pilots.
Compare Apples to Apples. You will gain credibility. You of all people should know the result when a group uses manipulated numbers to try and push for a result. The result they end up with can be unpleasant. The NMB when we get before it on this contract will have real numbers. Try making your statement that the average SW copilot makes far more then the average Delta Captain before the board. You will not look to smart when the real numbers are laid on the table.
Compare Apples to Apples. You will gain credibility. You of all people should know the result when a group uses manipulated numbers to try and push for a result. The result they end up with can be unpleasant. The NMB when we get before it on this contract will have real numbers. Try making your statement that the average SW copilot makes far more then the average Delta Captain before the board. You will not look to smart when the real numbers are laid on the table.
We'll never get better if you keep making excuses for this sailingfun. This is reality and you need to get used to it...not accusing others of losing credibility.
Carl
11-15-2011, 07:11 AM
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11-15-2011, 07:14 AM
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