Delta Pilots Association
11-10-2011, 07:36 PM
#6631
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
I know your trying to be funny but Pineapple isn't the only person on here asking this question. There are interest cards, some have expired, some more are needed to solicit the government for a vote. If you really believe what you wrote to be true, maybe your not the best spokesperson for DPA?
Carl
11-11-2011, 05:07 AM
#6632
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 12,037
That's not what they say around Bushwood. I thought you were the Head Greens Keeper.
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11-11-2011, 05:34 AM
#6633
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 335
that's not what they say around bushwood. I thought you were the head greens keeper.
bill murray - kill golfers - youtube
bill murray - kill golfers - youtube
"freeze gopher....."!!!!!
11-11-2011, 09:22 AM
#6635
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
11-11-2011, 09:26 AM
#6636
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
So what's your point?
11-11-2011, 01:09 PM
#6637
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,619
The SWAPA model is a great one. Adopting their contract IN TOTAL plus 5% for the MD88, and premiums above that based on capacity is a great strategy. The NMB would have no choice but to agree. But instead, ALPA doesn't tell us the truth about the SWAPA contract, and many MEC guys on here issue veiled threats like: "Be careful what you wish for" and "It could cause us to lose the bottom quarter of the seniority list". Why would ALPA do that? Why wouldn't they use this great tool of leverage for our gain, instead of portraying it falsely and trying to scare us out of even discussing it? Furthermore, why would ALPA tell us they couldn't talk about Air France pay when I was able to find it on Google in 10 seconds?
Coming from someone in the MEC bureaucracy, I really appreciate your honesty on the subject of expectation management. It's clear our MEC has been managing our expectations downward. Of that there can be no doubt. It's good to hear of your logic behind it.
That's a shameful characterization of an ad that was taken out to publicize that USAir management tried to pressure 3 A330 captains to fly an aircraft over water that all 3 captains deemed to be unsafe. Your hatred of USAPA because they decertified ALPA should not blind you to the fact that this incident was a PILOT issue, not a union issue.
Only if you are devoted to erecting straw men to argue against an indefensible premise. No union has done anything close to that. Can't imagine why you would make such a blatantly false comment.
Carl
Coming from someone in the MEC bureaucracy, I really appreciate your honesty on the subject of expectation management. It's clear our MEC has been managing our expectations downward. Of that there can be no doubt. It's good to hear of your logic behind it.
That's a shameful characterization of an ad that was taken out to publicize that USAir management tried to pressure 3 A330 captains to fly an aircraft over water that all 3 captains deemed to be unsafe. Your hatred of USAPA because they decertified ALPA should not blind you to the fact that this incident was a PILOT issue, not a union issue.
Only if you are devoted to erecting straw men to argue against an indefensible premise. No union has done anything close to that. Can't imagine why you would make such a blatantly false comment.
Carl
So they did not get a 20% raise, they did not get a 15% raise, they did not get even a 10% raise. They got a series of 7 or 8% raises that when compounded back to back over several years got them to where they are now. The last deal they signed was a three year deal with guaranteed 1% raises with up to 3% based on operating margin (how come SWAPA constantly manages their pilots expectations down by talking about operating margin) Consistent improvement and compounded results that came from a productive cooperative relationship with management.
Gee, that sounds way different than what Delta ALPA is doing right now doesn't it? By the way it looks like we just signed another deal that gained benefits for pilots. Consistent improvement and compounded results. What a terrible plan.
11-11-2011, 02:39 PM
#6638
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,544
that sounds way different than what Delta ALPA is doing right now doesn't it?
11-11-2011, 03:43 PM
#6639
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Yeah, I could see how that would be a great catalyst for negotiations. Actually that's Alannis Morsette grade irony right there.
Yeah, actually it does. Just not in the good way. We need SWA+ parity in every area with significant gains in scope on DOS, not a few percent a year until someday in the distant future.
Yeah, actually it does. Just not in the good way. We need SWA+ parity in every area with significant gains in scope on DOS, not a few percent a year until someday in the distant future.
11-11-2011, 03:49 PM
#6640
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
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