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10-07-2011, 02:44 PM
#6431
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Do you really think that, when it's all said and done, guys who have supported DPA are going to undermine any efforts that DALPA finally makes to significantly improve our situation? Sure, the DPA crowd will vote NO on an agreement that is not significantly restorative. But wouldn't you WANT them to do that? From everything you've said here, I would expect you to do the same! The bottom line is that, when/if (and that's a big "if") DALPA decides to dig their heels in, set their sites on an appropriate objective, and not back down... you'll have no problem getting the DPA guys to be a part of any needed "unity."
10-07-2011, 02:44 PM
#6432
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Wow! After well over a year, about 25% have allegedly sent cards in. That number is suspect. Even if it's accurate, it's weak. If the choice was as obvious as you, Carl, and the rest of the ALPA-bashers make it, your crusade is not going well. According to Caplinger's posts on the DPA site, the goal was to get a strong majority of pilots to sign up before he would call for an election. Based on your post, it looks like that goal has been abandoned, and you'd be happy just to screw up contract negotiations with a ballot triggered by a 50-50 split.
Of course you'll blame ALPA for the individual decision by 3/4 of the pilot group to NOT sign on to DPA. It couldn't possibly be that DPA is a bad idea being promoted by angry pilots who don't play well with others. Naaa!
Of course you'll blame ALPA for the individual decision by 3/4 of the pilot group to NOT sign on to DPA. It couldn't possibly be that DPA is a bad idea being promoted by angry pilots who don't play well with others. Naaa!
10-07-2011, 02:51 PM
#6433
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I'm not active in DPA but I did send in my card. It took such little effort I can't imagine anything keeping me from sending in another one when I approach a year. I'm confident DPA will send an automated email when the one year date approaches, but it won't be needed. This is coming from a guy who's not a strong advocate, but dissatisfied enough to consider the alternative.
10-07-2011, 03:14 PM
#6434
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Personally, I don't see it that way. I like the fact our negotiators will have this hanging over them during negotiations. How much clearer can I make this, Mr. Negotiator: Get this right; don't come back to me with something weak. If ALPA thinks they can come back with lackluster offer we all know the renewed energy DPA will stand to gain. I think it's a fair assumption a significant number of Delta pilots who are unhappy with ALPA are still wanting to stick with them for now due to contract negotiations quickly approaching. That tune is sure to change if the faith they've placed in ALPA is taken for granted.
10-07-2011, 03:15 PM
#6435
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I'm not active in DPA but I did send in my card. It took such little effort I can't imagine anything keeping me from sending in another one when I approach a year. I'm confident DPA will send an automated email when the one year date approaches, but it won't be needed. This is coming from a guy who's not a strong advocate, but dissatisfied enough to consider the alternative.
10-07-2011, 03:30 PM
#6436
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Personally, I don't see it that way. I like the fact our negotiators will have this hanging over them during negotiations. How much clearer can I make this, Mr. Negotiator: Get this right; don't come back to me with something weak. If ALPA thinks they can come back with lackluster offer we all know the renewed energy DPA will stand to gain. I think it's a fair assumption a significant number of Delta pilots who are unhappy with ALPA are still wanting to stick with them for now due to contract negotiations quickly approaching. That tune is sure to change if the faith they've placed in ALPA is taken for granted.
10-07-2011, 03:43 PM
#6437
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10-07-2011, 03:46 PM
#6438
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Carl
10-07-2011, 03:50 PM
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I also suspect that those in the know also know that what you described is a straw many that most are not willing to fight against. With the vocal group (refuse to call them a minority because I know many that are considered part of the "silent majority that are unhappy, but refuse to entertain doing anything to change it) not acting, don't you think that is what many want? Take your marbles to a new game that you have little hope of winning, and in return they do not have to deal with any organized effort to call BS.
I truly believe that if DPA or its supporters organized and even tried to recall a few reps, the action and organization would not go unnoticed.
I guess it does not matter because what we have is the group that was always the "checkers" not checking to the level they used to. As you said, they do not even want to focus on keeping their reps feet to the fire.
If that is the road you want to go down, fine, but understand that having a group of DPA's size not unified with the rest of the group could prove disastrous in the upcoming Section 6.
I truly believe that if DPA or its supporters organized and even tried to recall a few reps, the action and organization would not go unnoticed.
I guess it does not matter because what we have is the group that was always the "checkers" not checking to the level they used to. As you said, they do not even want to focus on keeping their reps feet to the fire.
If that is the road you want to go down, fine, but understand that having a group of DPA's size not unified with the rest of the group could prove disastrous in the upcoming Section 6.
Yes!!!!
Carl
10-07-2011, 03:59 PM
#6440
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I also suspect that those in the know also know that what you described is a straw many that most are not willing to fight against. With the vocal group (refuse to call them a minority because I know many that are considered part of the "silent majority that are unhappy, but refuse to entertain doing anything to change it) not acting, don't you think that is what many want? Take your marbles to a new game that you have little hope of winning, and in return they do not have to deal with any organized effort to call BS.
I truly believe that if DPA or its supporters organized and even tried to recall a few reps, the action and organization would not go unnoticed.
I guess it does not matter because what we have is the group that was always the "checkers" not checking to the level they used to. As you said, they do not even want to focus on keeping their reps feet to the fire.
If that is the road you want to go down, fine, but understand that having a group of DPA's size not unified with the rest of the group could prove disastrous in the upcoming Section 6.
I truly believe that if DPA or its supporters organized and even tried to recall a few reps, the action and organization would not go unnoticed.
I guess it does not matter because what we have is the group that was always the "checkers" not checking to the level they used to. As you said, they do not even want to focus on keeping their reps feet to the fire.
If that is the road you want to go down, fine, but understand that having a group of DPA's size not unified with the rest of the group could prove disastrous in the upcoming Section 6.
And stop being such a drama queen about the DPA ruining unity. The DPA's activity is the very heart of democracy in action. I know you're only for it when it suits your own personal goals within ALPA, but this process is a very good thing on many levels. Not the least of which will be the strong likelihood of DALPA negotiating with a gun to their heads. That gun being held by DPA members. That's a very good thing. But it is also something that DALPA does NOT want...thus the talking points that the DPA is ruining unity.
Carl
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