nerd2009

I am in the ATL Pilot lounge, and only see one other DPA green tag including mine.

Walking through the terminal , I do see some. Just wonder if DPA members are proudly displaying their green tags or hiding them when in the pilot lounge ?

exeagle

I saw one last trip, and zero this trip. I was a bit surprised.

Carl Spackler

And I appreciate you saying that PG. It shows me that you really do call them as you see them.

I think you're right about that, but it was absolutely NOT the point of the lawsuit. At the end of the process, the TWA guys did know exactly what was going to happen. The problem was: How did the TWA guys get into that position? There was clear evidence of the TWA guys trying to sue under a statute that would have protected them, but ALPA refused to fund that effort. There was also clear evidence that ALPA destroyed computers, servers and hard drives to try and cover that up. That among other reasons is why the jury found in favor of the TWA pilots. Again, TWA pilots did indeed know what would happen, but it was because they saw they had no representation at the end.

I disagree on that comparison. The UsAir east situation was totally different, and I don't believe ALPA did anything wrong there.

That's not my experience with most pilots. While there are a few that exhibit that behavior, the vast majority of pilots are quick to tell the truth and fess up to their mistakes. Sometimes, the FAA and management use that basic attribute of pilots against us.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Or, "Trying to get a pig's attention"...aka, "Carl's dating habits"

Carl

Carl Spackler

I respectfully disagree. This is not Socialism. Organized labor can and should stand together to enact change. But each union must stand on its own merits and own finances before it can stand together with other unions. If you can't run your own affairs without the constant financing from others, you aren't a viable union.

I am too, but helping to fund a strike contingency is totally different than a continuous funding model that depends on other unions financing your daily operations. That's what we have now, and it's wrong.

I do too. I just wish ALPA had results of their Washington and Wall Street efforts. Unfortunately, I do not see much if any.

I do too. CAPA does the same thing among their member unions. But that's different than funding them. The fact that Delta pilots get less than 40% of their dues money back from ALPA national is wrong. Period.

Agreed. But no man should be another man's ATM.

Carl

Carl Spackler

This is a bit off topic, but it's an important point. There is no such thing as a staple prenup. Just like a marital prenup, it MUST be later judged to not be "unconscionable". This term has been used to negate marital prenups, and the same legal tenet is available to anyone in the case of a staple prenup. In both cases, the fact that the parties signed the agreement makes no difference. If the plaintiff's attorney is able to successfully claim that the prenup was so egregious that it "Shocks the Conscience", it can be considered legally unconscionable and a judge will overturn the prenup. Then you'll have to go to plan B (arbitration, negotiations, etc.).

Carl

Carl Spackler

You just about can't be a stronger supporter of our effort to create an in-house union than I am, but I don't have a bag tag yet. Not that I am un-proud of the DPA, I just don't have a tag. I'll have to get one though. Thanks for reminding me.

Carl

gloopy

Yeah that's a scary proposition for sure. We can't afford to reach the event horizon on what could be a powerful black hole and then hope it all works out somehow. One way or the other, any chance of a land grab has to be 100% mitigated or its a non starter. If that can't be assured, there are other ways to achieve the same result on our end, like taking the flying back, on our certificate or on a brand new one with new hires if necessary. If that would lead to a potential DFR situation, then ALPA has to go. ALPA needs to prove that it can, at least theoretically, fix scope without a single seniority jump on any mainline list.

Carl Spackler

Totally agree.

Carl

X Rated

Pineapple Guy obviously hasn't read the Court Transcript.