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09-26-2010, 02:45 PM
#622
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That is unity. All flying done by seniority lists pilots.
The problem is, as it always has been, that pilots believe they have an advantage by breaking ranks and selling out other pilots for individual gain.
The problem is not the mechanism to achieve unity. The NWA and Delta pilots tackled a larger problem and combined because we knew we needed to. Delta pilots saw your 747 and intrinsically knew it had to be "Delta." It wasn't easy, but we did a good job of finding the way to unity among our pilots.
Unfortunately we looked at the bottom 50% of our own flying and decided that isn't ours. That was our decision, negotiated at our bargaining table.
To find unity we fist have to educate our membership and leadership as to why it is imperative. Why every member is power at the bargaining table.
As for an integration scheme, we can get into that if you want to. But, participating ALPA members (all of them) have to be at the table. Wars of occupation never succeed. Assimilation works.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 09-26-2010 at 04:47 PM.
09-26-2010, 03:20 PM
#623
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09-26-2010, 03:23 PM
#624
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How do you propose to foster this UNITY? There is no way I want one single leg of a flight that says Delta Air Lines on it to be flown by anyone other than a seniority list pilot. Most lifers at the regionals want to take as much flying as possible for their own growth. How do we bridge this gap?
Carl
Carl
The only people who have actual power to affect change of this "outsourcing" trend are you guys.
I'm not your enemy. I don't want more flying. I may not have this job for the right reasons, but I don't want to stay here forever especially at the expense of a chance of sitting in a real Delta seat.
Lifers aren't your enemy. They are merely protecting their seats from lower bidders.
Stopping outsourcing has to start at the source. All we can do at a regional is preventing outsourcing of our contract flying.
09-26-2010, 05:02 PM
#625
Da Hudge
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I'm no regional lifer, and I can't speak for the lifers, but with my limited knowledge of airlines, outsourcing, and unions, we (the regional pilots) have zero power in deciding how much flying and what airframes we are given. That is completely up to Delta and the upper level managers at xyz regionals.
The only people who have actual power to affect change of this "outsourcing" trend are you guys.
I'm not your enemy. I don't want more flying. I may not have this job for the right reasons, but I don't want to stay here forever especially at the expense of a chance of sitting in a real Delta seat.
Lifers aren't your enemy. They are merely protecting their seats from lower bidders.
Stopping outsourcing has to start at the source. All we can do at a regional is preventing outsourcing of our contract flying.
The only people who have actual power to affect change of this "outsourcing" trend are you guys.
I'm not your enemy. I don't want more flying. I may not have this job for the right reasons, but I don't want to stay here forever especially at the expense of a chance of sitting in a real Delta seat.
Lifers aren't your enemy. They are merely protecting their seats from lower bidders.
Stopping outsourcing has to start at the source. All we can do at a regional is preventing outsourcing of our contract flying.
Pinnacle's contract (the one theyve been under since 2000 and that you're still flying under) was signed to secure more and larger airplanes. They were flying 33 pink saabs at the time.
Many guys at pinnacle and other carriers were chomping at the bit there to get 70 seaters when I was there... which always prompted a stern lecture from me. There was always some giddy crew room rumor going around that NW pilots had given up scope and there was a 700 in the hangar in MEM or something to that effect.
The main issue with scope relief the past 10 years was bankruptcy. Mgmt had a gun to everyone's heads and it was complete chaos. Of course it all started many years ago, but management successfully snuck a bomb into the center of the dam. We're now trying to use our fingertips to plug that problem.
It's a complex problem with many parties at fault and everyone pointing fingers trying to place blame isn't going to fix anything. We do have to do everything possible to fix this mess.
09-26-2010, 05:17 PM
#626
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Just an outsider looking in.
More Air Frames are good for Delta, as long as it is Delta Pilots doing the flying!
If your MEC Chairman truly thinks outsourcing Mainline Jobs to Regionals is a good thing, sounds like the DAL pilots need to write their LEC and MEC reps and suggest otherwise!
More Air Frames are good for Delta, as long as it is Delta Pilots doing the flying!
If your MEC Chairman truly thinks outsourcing Mainline Jobs to Regionals is a good thing, sounds like the DAL pilots need to write their LEC and MEC reps and suggest otherwise!
Carl
09-26-2010, 05:21 PM
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09-26-2010, 05:23 PM
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09-26-2010, 05:34 PM
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How do we handle those two parts of the unity equation?
Carl
09-26-2010, 05:45 PM
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