DAL 88 Driver

Funny (not really). That was exactly what I thought when I read his post.

Bucking Bar

That isn't what I wrote.

But you highlight one of my problems with the DPA. Many supporters simply don't like unions.

You and I are labor. We benefit from our membership in a labor union.

forgot to bid

I thought it was an agency shop?


Btw, thankfully we're not ibt. Hate to have my union boss sanctioning my murder while I pay for his mansion.

forgot to bid

Speaking of contract surveys, what if DPA paid for one that was published and open to all?

acl65pilot

It would end poorly for us. The company would know exactly where to exert pressure. Come on, I know you are smarter than that!

clancy

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Been gone for a while. Somebody has been a busy little beaver...

80ktsClamp

One of the alpaoids posted that on the DPA thread last night. How they aren't embarrassed by that guy's writing style that is reminiscent of a drunk 10 year old, I don't know.

80ktsClamp

Posting the results to a contract survey is a very bad idea.

It would be akin to playing poker and showing everyone your cards before the first round of betting.

forgot to bid

And there's a lot of truth to that, but, there is a downside and possibly larger downside of not being able to tell if the survey results are disregarded in favor of the MEC's agenda.

I don't think that's going to happen, I really don't, but that door could be left ajar, even if only as a accusation, if there is not some sort of external mechanism to verify.

It could work out another way though too, what if 51% of the surveys are completed by a subgroup of pilots who'd throw everyone under the bus for the sake of a pay raise prior to their pending retirement. You surely want the union to act as a representative and kick that notion to the curb.

I see more downside in not doing it. Sure the company's negotiators can use it to their advantage but at the same time if the priorities are Scope, Pay, Work Rules they can go after the hotels and pick at work rules but in the end we still have to ratify the thing.

forgot to bid

With the AirTran and SWA deal, someone mentioned that the AirTran MEC wanted to send that staple agreement to the pilots for a vote with a no recommendation but that's not possible. So they had to vote it down.

Is that how the TA would work?

Because what if you don't like what either the NMB or company has put forth, instead of further compromising is it possible to say "we know the pilots will say no so fine, watch..." and send it off for a vote with a big not recommended on it?

I've got the Roar 44 flow chart here in front of me so I'm not talking about what steps occur because I have that to follow and I'm sure the NMB mediation is invoked and you go down that path. Just can you craft a final resolution you don't want the pilots to accept and send it off with a not recommended on it?