Delta Pilots Association
09-05-2011, 06:18 PM
#6231
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
How do you know that it is an ALPA funded site? Could a pilot who is NOT on FPL figure out how to do that? Are there pro-ALPA pilots out there who will take their own time and possibly funds to do that? Are DPA types the only ones who will do something advocating their position outside of any official capacity?
I'm not even sure those sites cost money to set up anyway........
09-05-2011, 06:20 PM
#6232
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Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 593
According to the DPA these are the facts.
Fact: DPA was taking pictures in the pilot lounge.
Fact: DPA went to the CPO and turned a pilot in for allegedly violating
Delta's social media policy.
Those are the facts according to DPA.
Maybe next time the DPA will use their camera's to help the CPO enforce uniform standards. DPA for hat police.
09-05-2011, 06:21 PM
#6233
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
I'm losing respect for people who make stuff up and start rumors.
How do you know that it is an ALPA funded site? Could a pilot who is NOT on FPL figure out how to do that? Are there pro-ALPA pilots out there who will take their own time and possibly funds to do that? Are DPA types the only ones who will do something advocating their position outside of any official capacity?
I'm not even sure those sites cost money to set up anyway........
How do you know that it is an ALPA funded site? Could a pilot who is NOT on FPL figure out how to do that? Are there pro-ALPA pilots out there who will take their own time and possibly funds to do that? Are DPA types the only ones who will do something advocating their position outside of any official capacity?
I'm not even sure those sites cost money to set up anyway........
09-05-2011, 06:21 PM
#6234
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,357
You think they went 50/50 with corporate Delta putting these anti DPA sites together? Nothing surprises me anymore with the elite ALPA Bourgeoisie.
09-05-2011, 06:23 PM
#6235
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
For someone that deplores excess spending, you should not want more ALPA e-mail address. Each one costs DALPA money because of the administration of the servers, and the legal responsibilities of data retention. Volunteers use their personal e-mail versus a ALPA e-mail address to save you money.
We can deduct it from the money sent to National.
I think the volunteers are worth it.
09-05-2011, 06:27 PM
#6236
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There's always this one: Transform ALPA - Delta Air Lines Pilots Association
First post was Oct 25, 2009, the first transform DPA post was in 2010, fwiw.
First post was Oct 25, 2009, the first transform DPA post was in 2010, fwiw.
09-05-2011, 06:41 PM
#6237
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Captain DD on DPA Watch posted this:
Non-union print shops? Who is DALPA using for print shops and video production? And hotels?
The hotel in Manhattan... where 0 pilots are based but they are on Long Island and over in Newark... for that MEC meeting a while back, what hotel was that?
Are ALPA stickers made in house or at a union shop and which one? The pin I received in the mail for 9/11, who made that?
Just if you're going to write this you need to say... for instance ALPA uses... and uses... and uses...
What would've been real fun is if Captain DD had said "is the DPA going to allow their own employees to unionize and if so, will they treat them fairly like ALPA has done?"
Does Captain DD post here?
Not a bad first start. We thought it took a little long to get out considering that they've been telling ALPA that a common pilot could do this kind of thing faster. We also weren't real thrilled to hear they were using non-union hotels, print shops and video production people.
The hotel in Manhattan... where 0 pilots are based but they are on Long Island and over in Newark... for that MEC meeting a while back, what hotel was that?
We find it interesting that a union replacement wants nothing to do with unions. They are outsourcing everything right now. Will that continue? Does that mean that the lawyer is the cheapest one they could find too? They want pilots to have union support and union wages but outsource everything down to the stickers? Is that really true? They want to demand passengers pay top dollar but want to encourage outsourcing? Mow your own lawn? Pay your mechanic his pay or do it yourself? Do your own plumbing? Will the DPA really pay top dollar and get the best services with your money? We are not convinced.
Just if you're going to write this you need to say... for instance ALPA uses... and uses... and uses...
What would've been real fun is if Captain DD had said "is the DPA going to allow their own employees to unionize and if so, will they treat them fairly like ALPA has done?"
(Reuters) - The world's largest airline pilots union is getting a taste of its own medicine as workers in one in its divisions have filed a complaint of unfair labor practices against their bosses, the workers' union said on Monday.
It's an unusual twist in the organized labor movement, pitting a unionized staff against its employer -- which itself is a powerful labor union.
The parties in the dispute are the Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (UALPAPAE) and the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), which fights for the rights of pilots at UAL Corp's UAUA.O United Airlines and other carriers.
"When it comes to its pilot members, ALPA is a major champion of the pilots' rights to fair labor practices," said Jay Wells, president of United's unit of UALPAPAE. "But when it comes to the well-being and welfare of its own staff, ALPA management seems to adopt a different set of labor union principles."
The in-house professional employees' union, which represents 170 staffers that include lawyers and lobbyists, has complained to the National Labor Relations Board that ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to disclose information requested about ALPA's plan to lay off 10 professional employees of this year.
ALPA, which represents 53,000 pilots at 37 airlines in North America, did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the complaint.
ALPA's contract with its professional employees expires on Tuesday, and the two sides are in talks on a new labor deal.
The ironic complaint is not without precedent. In 2006, the union representing professional employees of ALPA's Delta Air Lines (DAL.N) unit went on strike over a labor contract. That unit's contract is set to expire April 30. (Reporting by Kyle Peterson, editing by Gerald E. McCormick)
US pilots union staffers have their own labor beef | Reuters
It's an unusual twist in the organized labor movement, pitting a unionized staff against its employer -- which itself is a powerful labor union.
The parties in the dispute are the Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (UALPAPAE) and the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), which fights for the rights of pilots at UAL Corp's UAUA.O United Airlines and other carriers.
"When it comes to its pilot members, ALPA is a major champion of the pilots' rights to fair labor practices," said Jay Wells, president of United's unit of UALPAPAE. "But when it comes to the well-being and welfare of its own staff, ALPA management seems to adopt a different set of labor union principles."
The in-house professional employees' union, which represents 170 staffers that include lawyers and lobbyists, has complained to the National Labor Relations Board that ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to disclose information requested about ALPA's plan to lay off 10 professional employees of this year.
ALPA, which represents 53,000 pilots at 37 airlines in North America, did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the complaint.
ALPA's contract with its professional employees expires on Tuesday, and the two sides are in talks on a new labor deal.
The ironic complaint is not without precedent. In 2006, the union representing professional employees of ALPA's Delta Air Lines (DAL.N) unit went on strike over a labor contract. That unit's contract is set to expire April 30. (Reporting by Kyle Peterson, editing by Gerald E. McCormick)
US pilots union staffers have their own labor beef | Reuters
09-05-2011, 06:51 PM
#6238
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
It also needs to cover the data storage of all of the traffic. The cost is much greater.
On the money sent to National, your LEC money, and a ton of other things that DALPA uses are part of that money. I think that if a breakout was done, we all would be very surprised at how much of the 30 million this pilot group eats up.
09-05-2011, 07:03 PM
#6239
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Yeah and it also looks pretty desperate. Again the best way they could strike a blow to DPA is to be a union people respect. They are choosing the low road and it makes them look rather silly.
You think they went 50/50 with corporate Delta putting these anti DPA sites together? Nothing surprises me anymore with the elite ALPA Bourgeoisie.
You think they went 50/50 with corporate Delta putting these anti DPA sites together? Nothing surprises me anymore with the elite ALPA Bourgeoisie.
See? I can write things like that too!
Wasn't there an group of independent pilots who ran a group called "ALPAwatch" at NWA back in the day?
Give us some research that provides evidence of the claim, and then I'll give you due.
Correlation does not equal causality.
09-05-2011, 07:04 PM
#6240
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl, just because you were caught BSing again, doesn't make it a distortion.
According to the DPA these are the facts.
Fact: DPA was taking pictures in the pilot lounge.
Fact: DPA went to the CPO and turned a pilot in for allegedly violating
Delta's social media policy.
Those are the facts according to DPA.
Maybe next time the DPA will use their camera's to help the CPO enforce uniform standards. DPA for hat police.
According to the DPA these are the facts.
Fact: DPA was taking pictures in the pilot lounge.
Fact: DPA went to the CPO and turned a pilot in for allegedly violating
Delta's social media policy.
Those are the facts according to DPA.
Maybe next time the DPA will use their camera's to help the CPO enforce uniform standards. DPA for hat police.
When you lose at trying to break your own union and lose at unfairly representing the TWA pilots, distortion is all you have left. Sad.
Carl
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