Delta Pilots Association
08-13-2011, 04:41 PM
#6052
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 474
Late addition to the Crewpass/knowncrewmber discussion. Looks like it's a joint deal between ALPA and the ATA that's approved by the TSA. Not sure if CAPA is involved in a different program or not. Regardless, there's a good story in Aviation Week on this. My apologies for the thread creep.
Crewpass vs. Known Crewmember
Posted by James Ott at 8/10/2011 12:57 PM CDT
The Air Transport Assn. and the Air Line Pilots Assn. are jointly supporting a crewmember verification program that competes with ARINC's Crewpass program, still in testing after three years. The ATA-ALPA program is called Known Crewmember and it got its start Monday at three security checkpoints at Chicago O'Hare International Airport. The ATA says the second program was developed because ARINC's looked too expensive while ARINC thinks ATA and ALPA are plunging into new territory and will do a lousy job.
ARINC has the advantage of having tested its Creewpass system, which uses fingerprinting, at Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Columbia, S.C., airports. The company says more than 350,000 crewmembers have been cleared. Cost is a factor, they admit, but the aerospace company has offered several kinds of approaches for airlines to meet that cost, and none have been acceptable.
Hence, the ATA-ALPA effort, which uses laptop computers manned by Transportation Security Administration officers. They check airline data bases to verify a crewmember's employment status and identity through a photo and company information. They have asked TSA to conduct the program for flight attendants as well.
One of the huge problems is a lack of public discussion about costs. ATA-ALPA did not release the agreement they struck with TSA and won't comment on costs. It is early in the game. However, 12 airlines are signed up for the test, which will expand to other airports this year if all goes as scheduled. ATA is bearing the initial expense of buying computers. At this stage, it appears ARINC has been left out in the cold.
Crewpass vs. Known CrewmemberPosted by James Ott at 8/10/2011 12:57 PM CDT
The Air Transport Assn. and the Air Line Pilots Assn. are jointly supporting a crewmember verification program that competes with ARINC's Crewpass program, still in testing after three years. The ATA-ALPA program is called Known Crewmember and it got its start Monday at three security checkpoints at Chicago O'Hare International Airport. The ATA says the second program was developed because ARINC's looked too expensive while ARINC thinks ATA and ALPA are plunging into new territory and will do a lousy job.
ARINC has the advantage of having tested its Creewpass system, which uses fingerprinting, at Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Columbia, S.C., airports. The company says more than 350,000 crewmembers have been cleared. Cost is a factor, they admit, but the aerospace company has offered several kinds of approaches for airlines to meet that cost, and none have been acceptable.
Hence, the ATA-ALPA effort, which uses laptop computers manned by Transportation Security Administration officers. They check airline data bases to verify a crewmember's employment status and identity through a photo and company information. They have asked TSA to conduct the program for flight attendants as well.
One of the huge problems is a lack of public discussion about costs. ATA-ALPA did not release the agreement they struck with TSA and won't comment on costs. It is early in the game. However, 12 airlines are signed up for the test, which will expand to other airports this year if all goes as scheduled. ATA is bearing the initial expense of buying computers. At this stage, it appears ARINC has been left out in the cold.
08-13-2011, 04:42 PM
#6053
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Actually, we have LEC reps that say we can't.
And our vastly reduced W-2's have been funding that extra interest since 2005, and we'll continue to do that until AT LEAST Jan 2013.
Again, they're paying down that debt with our vastly lower W-2's. That must be worth something very big this Section 6.
That depends on how it is portrayed to the NMB. No doubt, Delta will portray their decisions to pay down debt as: "Hey, we'd love to pay our pilots better, but our profits are just too low." Whereas, it should be portrayed as: "Our vastly lower W-2's have funded the massive debt paydown and healing of our balance sheet...now we want pay that exceeds are biggest competitor." The only question now is, which one of those portrayals will DALPA state?
Carl
Carl
08-13-2011, 04:45 PM
#6054
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
You're just talking through your backside. This strategy was a very complex one that started with decertifying ALPA, and has yet to show what the real end game is. So far, the Nicolau award has been kept off the property. Again, hate it or love it, the Seham firm has done what I thought was impossible. So far, that is.
BS. Just more talking through your backside. Your opinion only.
Carl
BS. Just more talking through your backside. Your opinion only.
Carl
The Nicolau award has been kept off the property simply because USAPA refuses to negotiate a joint agreement. They don't need Seham for that.
08-13-2011, 05:11 PM
#6055
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 402
08-13-2011, 05:13 PM
#6056
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 402
Late addition to the Crewpass/knowncrewmber discussion. Looks like it's a joint deal between ALPA and the ATA that's approved by the TSA. Not sure if CAPA is involved in a different program or not. Regardless, there's a good story in Aviation Week on this. My apologies for the thread creep.
Crewpass vs. Known Crewmember
Posted by James Ott at 8/10/2011 12:57 PM CDT
The Air Transport Assn. and the Air Line Pilots Assn. are jointly supporting a crewmember verification program that competes with ARINC's Crewpass program, still in testing after three years. The ATA-ALPA program is called Known Crewmember and it got its start Monday at three security checkpoints at Chicago O'Hare International Airport. The ATA says the second program was developed because ARINC's looked too expensive while ARINC thinks ATA and ALPA are plunging into new territory and will do a lousy job.
ARINC has the advantage of having tested its Creewpass system, which uses fingerprinting, at Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Columbia, S.C., airports. The company says more than 350,000 crewmembers have been cleared. Cost is a factor, they admit, but the aerospace company has offered several kinds of approaches for airlines to meet that cost, and none have been acceptable.
Hence, the ATA-ALPA effort, which uses laptop computers manned by Transportation Security Administration officers. They check airline data bases to verify a crewmember's employment status and identity through a photo and company information. They have asked TSA to conduct the program for flight attendants as well.
One of the huge problems is a lack of public discussion about costs. ATA-ALPA did not release the agreement they struck with TSA and won't comment on costs. It is early in the game. However, 12 airlines are signed up for the test, which will expand to other airports this year if all goes as scheduled. ATA is bearing the initial expense of buying computers. At this stage, it appears ARINC has been left out in the cold.
Crewpass vs. Known CrewmemberPosted by James Ott at 8/10/2011 12:57 PM CDT
The Air Transport Assn. and the Air Line Pilots Assn. are jointly supporting a crewmember verification program that competes with ARINC's Crewpass program, still in testing after three years. The ATA-ALPA program is called Known Crewmember and it got its start Monday at three security checkpoints at Chicago O'Hare International Airport. The ATA says the second program was developed because ARINC's looked too expensive while ARINC thinks ATA and ALPA are plunging into new territory and will do a lousy job.
ARINC has the advantage of having tested its Creewpass system, which uses fingerprinting, at Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Columbia, S.C., airports. The company says more than 350,000 crewmembers have been cleared. Cost is a factor, they admit, but the aerospace company has offered several kinds of approaches for airlines to meet that cost, and none have been acceptable.
Hence, the ATA-ALPA effort, which uses laptop computers manned by Transportation Security Administration officers. They check airline data bases to verify a crewmember's employment status and identity through a photo and company information. They have asked TSA to conduct the program for flight attendants as well.
One of the huge problems is a lack of public discussion about costs. ATA-ALPA did not release the agreement they struck with TSA and won't comment on costs. It is early in the game. However, 12 airlines are signed up for the test, which will expand to other airports this year if all goes as scheduled. ATA is bearing the initial expense of buying computers. At this stage, it appears ARINC has been left out in the cold.
08-13-2011, 06:23 PM
#6057
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
Southwest Pilots Help TSA With Latest Security Access Tests
I just remember going to BWI and finding out they have crewpass only to find out it was just on the SWA side. Those (bleepers). Excited when it finally came over to our side, the only bummer is how few airports use it and how CAE is one of them is beyond me.
I agree with whoever said we should stand at the back of the line. Call it anti-rudeness campaign and see what happens.
08-13-2011, 06:58 PM
#6059
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
08-13-2011, 07:12 PM
#6060
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
"Inherent in both of these reasons is a third—and, I believe, the most compelling—reason that professional pilots choose the Air Line Pilots Association. Through our union, pilots experience firsthand the power of unity. When we move forward as a coordinated team, we send a persuasive message: we are organized and we are focused—we aren’t going to be distracted from achieving our goals. ALPA pilots convey the message that they aren’t alone, they are backed by their union—more than 53,000 pilots at 39 airlines in the UnitedStates and Canada."
LM
Alpa > Press Room > President's Corner
LM
Alpa > Press Room > President's Corner
1. If UCAL's scope demands are the primary evidence of ALPA Naitonals impartiality when it comes to scope, then how come in the name of the power of unity are we not outwardly supporting UCAL's scope demands?
After all, UCAL will be about 12,400 pilots and DAL is nearly 12,300, that's 24,709 pilots or 47% of the 53,000 pilots that belong to ALPA, which would be incredible unity on the scope goal.
DALPA:"'Hey, we fully support UCAL and we will make it known that we want the same." I thought we did the first part, we support UCAL's efforts, but did we say the last part, we want the same?
Is it a problem if we are demanding to cut out DCI you're looking at roughly 10,000 pilots negatively effected which includes the 1,400 Alaska pilots?
Would that be a hang up? Because of ALPA National signed off on a contract that cut 10,000 pilots of which 7,000+ are ALPA members and I'm sure a few lawsuits would ensue. May even come from DCI MECs via the Ford/Cooksey settlement? After all, this is our first contract post that ruling right?
How many believe UCAL pilots will achieve their scope goals? After all, they've got the best lawyers through ALPA National, it is the pilots goal, seems easy enough right?
DALPA:"'Hey, we fully support UCAL and we will make it known that we want the same." I thought we did the first part, we support UCAL's efforts, but did we say the last part, we want the same?
Is it a problem if we are demanding to cut out DCI you're looking at roughly 10,000 pilots negatively effected which includes the 1,400 Alaska pilots?
Would that be a hang up? Because of ALPA National signed off on a contract that cut 10,000 pilots of which 7,000+ are ALPA members and I'm sure a few lawsuits would ensue. May even come from DCI MECs via the Ford/Cooksey settlement? After all, this is our first contract post that ruling right?
How many believe UCAL pilots will achieve their scope goals? After all, they've got the best lawyers through ALPA National, it is the pilots goal, seems easy enough right?
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