Delta Pilots Association
08-13-2011, 10:20 AM
#6042
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My question stands, what are CAPA's legislative successes and do they have a similar plan to crewpass/known crewmember that they got the TSA to sign off on?
08-13-2011, 01:01 PM
#6043
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 767-400
Posts: 797
What are their legislative successes?
ALPA's been working on crewpass since 2007. I know the pace should be faster, but they did sign an agreement with the TSA and ATA to finally get it going. new name though, and I believe it will start expanding shortly. Has CAPA got a similar program the TSA has signed off on?
I know, small issue, but it's important to a lot of us line grunts. Anything that can reduce the hassle factor at work helps.
ALPA's been working on crewpass since 2007. I know the pace should be faster, but they did sign an agreement with the TSA and ATA to finally get it going. new name though, and I believe it will start expanding shortly. Has CAPA got a similar program the TSA has signed off on?
I know, small issue, but it's important to a lot of us line grunts. Anything that can reduce the hassle factor at work helps.
Last edited by BigGuns; 08-13-2011 at 01:19 PM.
08-13-2011, 01:17 PM
#6044
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Position: 767-400
Posts: 797
I'm sorry, but I don't believe in magic and I'm not so sure I'd like to rely on the government to come up with a solution all on their own.
My question stands, what are CAPA's legislative successes and do they have a similar plan to crewpass/known crewmember that they got the TSA to sign off on?
My question stands, what are CAPA's legislative successes and do they have a similar plan to crewpass/known crewmember that they got the TSA to sign off on?
I bet crew pass would have been implemented in less than one month!
08-13-2011, 02:48 PM
#6045
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
What are their legislative successes?
ALPA's been working on crewpass since 2007. I know the pace should be faster, but they did sign an agreement with the TSA and ATA to finally get it going. new name though, and I believe it will start expanding shortly. Has CAPA got a similar program the TSA has signed off on?
I know, small issue, but it's important to a lot of us line grunts. Anything that can reduce the hassle factor at work helps.
ALPA's been working on crewpass since 2007. I know the pace should be faster, but they did sign an agreement with the TSA and ATA to finally get it going. new name though, and I believe it will start expanding shortly. Has CAPA got a similar program the TSA has signed off on?
I know, small issue, but it's important to a lot of us line grunts. Anything that can reduce the hassle factor at work helps.
Carl
08-13-2011, 03:27 PM
#6046
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Bar;
I dont think anyone wants to price himself out of employment...or stated differently price the bottom of the list out of employment.
Pragmatically, how is a crew sitting in the pilot lounge for 4 hours while another crew does an orf turn productive. How is a jet swap from A to C concourse productive?
I dont think anyone wants to price himself out of employment...or stated differently price the bottom of the list out of employment.
Pragmatically, how is a crew sitting in the pilot lounge for 4 hours while another crew does an orf turn productive. How is a jet swap from A to C concourse productive?
Because they can work longer days with higher block times, resulting in a need for fewer overall staffing in the cabin, resulting in higher profits that can be used to pay down debt, buy newer more fuel efficient aircraft, all of which allows us to be paid more in the end!!
. There might actually be people lurking who don't know!
08-13-2011, 04:13 PM
#6047
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Shiz;
I actually have to disagree with you on your first two answers. We have economies of scale on our bigger fleets. Our 88's 767's and even 73Ns in just atl are individually categories that are bigger than some airlines. Swapping jets and productivity sit arounds are just inefficient. Credit time is also a function of inefficiency. Higher daily credit would possibly solve all of these issues, say 6.5 hrs per day.
If you removed the inefficiency from the pilot scheduling/flying side of the equation, the f/a's staying with the pilots would be a logical follow-on to improve their efficiency/utilization.
Hell, we just need to buy more planes.
I actually have to disagree with you on your first two answers. We have economies of scale on our bigger fleets. Our 88's 767's and even 73Ns in just atl are individually categories that are bigger than some airlines. Swapping jets and productivity sit arounds are just inefficient. Credit time is also a function of inefficiency. Higher daily credit would possibly solve all of these issues, say 6.5 hrs per day.
If you removed the inefficiency from the pilot scheduling/flying side of the equation, the f/a's staying with the pilots would be a logical follow-on to improve their efficiency/utilization.
Hell, we just need to buy more planes.
08-13-2011, 04:26 PM
#6048
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 474
If ALPA were a real union, instead of wasting millions of $s lobbying for crew pass, they would have sent out a email to all members saying wait in line, don't cut to the front, the flight won't leave without you!
I bet crew pass would have been implemented in less than one month!
I bet crew pass would have been implemented in less than one month!
08-13-2011, 04:36 PM
#6049
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Since it's not here yet, nobody can take any legislative credit. But ALPA was not first with crewpass - it was the IPA (UPS pilot's union). IPA and CAPA have worked terribly hard on crewpass. It's hard to accurately determine who worked harder, but there's no denying that IPA and CAPA have been working at it longer.
Carl
Carl
ALPA had proposed the first version of the CrewPASS alternate screening method to TSA in 2007. CrewPASS has been used successfully at three East Coast airports for almost three years, said TSA. Those airports include Baltimore-Washington International Airport, Pittsburgh International Airport and Columbia (SC) Metropolitan Airport.
TSA approves wider CrewPASS test | Government Security News
Perhaps the IPA and CAPA had a different program.
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