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08-10-2011, 11:04 AM
#5731
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Why should pilots be allowed to fly, for instance a widebody CA, a 9 figure airliner around the world and be allowed in their personal life to vote for everything from school board members to the President of the United States but not their MEC Chairman of their pilot union?
I'll put it this way, what could go wrong if pilots could vote for their chairman? What are the negatives? Not talking about the APA either, pros and cons without the pros.
08-10-2011, 11:18 AM
#5732
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I mean that's not a bad thing to fly the line all of the time for the rest of their time is it?
Just trying to empower pilots that's all, plain and simple.
08-10-2011, 11:52 AM
#5733
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DPA bears some resemblance to the TEA Party grass roots revolution, where entrenched politicians in government refuse to change their ways, giving favors to special interests and lobbyists (management, regionals? Take your pick) at the expense of the individual voters (ALPA Members). Government (ALPA) has become massive, bloated, arrogant and unresponsive...therefore, start from scratch to get back to the constituent's core values of limited government and debt reduction (or scope, pay & work rules). Anybody agree or disagree?
08-10-2011, 11:57 AM
#5734
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Btw, could insiders lose their jobs if there were direct elections and if so- wouldn't that mean they just return to the line with the rest of the hobbits?
I mean that's not a bad thing to fly the line all of the time for the rest of their time is it?
Just trying to empower pilots that's all, plain and simple.
I mean that's not a bad thing to fly the line all of the time for the rest of their time is it?
Just trying to empower pilots that's all, plain and simple.
My guess is if that policy manual change were made (doubtful), then you would see several committee chairs change as they would no longer be selected by the MEC chairman.
08-10-2011, 12:18 PM
#5735
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And I'm doing the same in NYC. I really really wanted to be there and see first hand the inappropriate behavior of the ALPA guys, camcorder in hand and ready to u tube it....
Hopefully some brothers are there and will post a summary.....
08-10-2011, 12:28 PM
#5736
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They were already videotaping it for rebroadcast on the web. Not sure if the press people were taping too. Is it even called taping anymore?
08-10-2011, 12:35 PM
#5737
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If by "insider" you mean committee chairs, then probably yes. Right now, with the exception of two committees, YOUR elected LEC reps do not get to vote on who is a committee chairman. To do so would require a policy manual change and I am guessing that is a 2/3 vote to pass the MEC.
My guess is if that policy manual change were made (doubtful), then you would see several committee chairs change as they would no longer be selected by the MEC chairman.
My guess is if that policy manual change were made (doubtful), then you would see several committee chairs change as they would no longer be selected by the MEC chairman.
The DALPA Committee structure is the real power behind the scenes. They massage the information that is presented to the MEC to whatever ends the MEC chair wants (since their job depends on it). They are unelected and chosen by a chair that is twice removed from the pilots-at-large. LEC reps come and go, but some of these guys linger for YEARS and YEARS.
Lots of FPL, overrides and plain getting out of flying the line. Since the FPL data isn't readily avaiable, most of it goes unnoticed. NWALPA also posted the FPL on a month-by-month basis, but then, there you go.
There's just too much at stake, both on a political level, and a personal level, for these folks to allow a fNWA style policy.
Nu
08-10-2011, 12:37 PM
#5738
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Agree. Word is there is a resolution to do exactly that to be introduced at the MEC meeting, but the powers-that-be would never let that happen.
The DALPA Committee structure is the real power behind the scenes. They massage the information that is presented to the MEC to whatever ends the MEC chair wants (since their job depends on it). They are unelected and chosen by a chair that is twice removed from the pilots-at-large. LEC reps come and go, but some of these guys linger for YEARS and YEARS.
Lots of FPL, overrides and plain getting out of flying the line. Since the FPL isn't readily avaiable, most of it goes unnoticed. NWALPA also posted the FPL on a month-by-month basis, but then, there you go.
There's just too much at stake, both on a political level, and a personal level, for these folks to allow a fNWA style policy.
Nu
The DALPA Committee structure is the real power behind the scenes. They massage the information that is presented to the MEC to whatever ends the MEC chair wants (since their job depends on it). They are unelected and chosen by a chair that is twice removed from the pilots-at-large. LEC reps come and go, but some of these guys linger for YEARS and YEARS.
Lots of FPL, overrides and plain getting out of flying the line. Since the FPL isn't readily avaiable, most of it goes unnoticed. NWALPA also posted the FPL on a month-by-month basis, but then, there you go.
There's just too much at stake, both on a political level, and a personal level, for these folks to allow a fNWA style policy.
Nu
And the cards keep rolling into the DPA and ALPA wonders why....
08-10-2011, 12:42 PM
#5739
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And why doesn't the MEC explain this clearly - including "the intent of the contract" because the intent seems quite the opposite to me.
How could the greatest legal labor minds in the known universe have written the contract to read one way, but intend it another?
There is something fishier here than intent and I'm not looking for some conspiracy. If there is a secret handshake going on between the MEC and Mgmt, okay, but dont play the "intent" and "insufficient case law" card, it doesnt fly.
How could the greatest legal labor minds in the known universe have written the contract to read one way, but intend it another?
There is something fishier here than intent and I'm not looking for some conspiracy. If there is a secret handshake going on between the MEC and Mgmt, okay, but dont play the "intent" and "insufficient case law" card, it doesnt fly.
08-10-2011, 12:46 PM
#5740
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