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Old 08-08-2011, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Do you know how to read? Read the posting question and history before you go into hystrionics about character assasinations.
Yes I do. Not good but good enough to read that this guy is being accused of maybe having done something wrong. Not actually done something wrong. I don't give a rats behind whether or not he was a rep a decade ago. It's irrelevant unless he did something to abuse his power or made some deal to get his job. As he was a rep pre merge and pre bk I must assume that it would be impossible to do so, yet people here think that the two are related. As a new outsider to this forum, the view is very different from the one you must have. This is the name calling and insinuation forum. Other than underboob I can't see why anyone would want to stay here and call each other names all day
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie
No. What actually happened in the real world was that several different posters got on here and said things that may have happened at work may also have happened around the time this pilot was in certain positions. They made vague accusations that this guy may have done something wrong, but didn't actually say he did. I stepped in and said whoa there boyz why are we picking on a guy who has nothing to do with the topic. Maybe I am guilty of defending a guy who isn't here from an anonymous attack in a public forum but then you went one step further by driving the point home that this guy might be dirty. You obviously have a personal issue with him and should probably step back and take a deep breath.

The reason my friends urged me to get off the regular forum was that things here were different. All I've seen so far is that in this thread one makes accusations and they get left out there to fester. You are just an angry guy that happens to also have super powers to edit and delete posts that don't fit your agenda. You act with insider knowledge that none of us has and air potentially dirty laundry to the public. If I wrote that you'd had an incident that you didn't report and gave enough detail to id you - you would have already deleted it. I guess we'll see how quick this forum gets shut down the next time were all sued during the contract battle.
I have no personal issue with the guy... I've only spoke with him once just to say hi. I do frown highly upon his actions in those situations that I speak of. These are well known incidents and it wouldn't take much research on your own to verify what I've said.

I am not angry guy at all, and I don't edit and delete posts unless they go WAY over the line. When a post is edited by a mod, you can see it. It's tagged that it was edited and who it was by.
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I have no personal issue with the guy... I've only spoke with him once just to say hi. I do frown highly upon his actions in those situations that I speak of. These are well known incidents and it wouldn't take much research on your own to verify what I've said.

I am not angry guy at all, and I don't edit and delete posts unless they go WAY over the line. When a post is edited by a mod, you can see it. It's tagged that it was edited and who it was by.
Then we at least agree on one thing. I said you had the power to control the discussion. It was almost an insinuation of corrupt power. You made an accusation about the CPO. I questioned it. We both have insinuations hanging out there. Yours seems like a personal beef to me, but how would I know. I don't even know who you are or what you say is true. Assuming, it is, you then went on to say that punishment was handed out. That implies your story is not the whole kielbasa.

Let's call this a truce. I don't believe the whole story you told and you don't believe that we shouldn't pick on people who aren't here to defend themselves.
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Another $100 wager?

I'm willing to bet the final won't be even 10% of that figure.

Any takers?
$120,000,000 is still a lot of money to be fined for incompetence.
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie
Yes I do. Not good but good enough to read that this guy is being accused of maybe having done something wrong. Not actually done something wrong. I don't give a rats behind whether or not he was a rep a decade ago. It's irrelevant unless he did something to abuse his power or made some deal to get his job. As he was a rep pre merge and pre bk I must assume that it would be impossible to do so, yet people here think that the two are related. As a new outsider to this forum, the view is very different from the one you must have. This is the name calling and insinuation forum. Other than underboob I can't see why anyone would want to stay here and call each other names all day


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Old 08-08-2011, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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Sweet! The ex-wife routine. She couldn't follow a logical debate either
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie
Then we at least agree on one thing. I said you had the power to control the discussion. It was almost an insinuation of corrupt power. You made an accusation about the CPO. I questioned it. We both have insinuations hanging out there. Yours seems like a personal beef to me, but how would I know. I don't even know who you are or what you say is true. Assuming, it is, you then went on to say that punishment was handed out. That implies your story is not the whole kielbasa.

Let's call this a truce. I don't believe the whole story you told and you don't believe that we shouldn't pick on people who aren't here to defend themselves.
Sure, I do have the power to control the discussion if I wanted to stoop to that level, but the other mods would see it and put a stop to it. Unless things get way out of line (edit- re: outside of TOS, not out of line as in not going my way), I let them run their course.

No personal beef with WS... I do have an issue with those actions that waste DL's time and money on a witch hunt.

PM will be sent shortly with details that I wont post in a public forum.

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Old 08-08-2011, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie
So you are trying to tell me that something may have happened and it may not have been either of these guys but after 10 years you are getting your revenge?

If what you say is true then you obviously took care of it back then? If you didn't, why not? If it was taken care of then you clearly don't like this guys for union guys, so who cares if they go to management since you clearly have problems with them. Except, you are now giving exactly enough info for someone to figure out exactly who these pilots are. Why bring it up now? WS is a solid chief pilot. What's next pilots that had DUI's can't be good guys. Pilots that used to be bullies in high school. Hows about guys who failed a check ride or type rating? What purpose can there be to your life to bring up something that might have happened 10 years ago that is going to cause issues with a pilot who currently holds a position that were talking about?

Now me's thinks abouts it, why are several of you picking on the ATL CPO? Is there a secret message board that said let's pick on the CPO today. His life isnt hard enough so you have to allege he might have done something a decade ago?
Zoomie,

I haven't been based in ATL for the past 13 years or so, and honestly I try and bid trips to avoid ATL. I remember hearing about the greenslip scandal and I remember during a "productivity sit" seeing the bulletin board with the schedules I mentioned above.

I think it was PG who asked for examples of people in ALPA leadership taking a management job. I'm quite sure PG is senior to me, but he may not have remembered the situation I mentioned in my earlier post, or he simply may not have been aware of it.

I personally haven't had dealings with WS and am not seeking revenge of any kind. JM was the SLC LEC Chairman as well as the SLC Chief Pilot while I have been based in SLC. I'm not seeking any "revenge" there either. Now that I think about it, there was another SLC ALPA representative who became a Chief Pilot. His initials are JS.

Here's another one, and you may consider it "ancient history", but it is true:

Former Senior Vice President of Flight Operations Dave Greenberg was an ALPA negotiator prior to moving to management. He's been gone for a while as well, but it happened.
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
PG;

You're a welcher, I cant bet with you
Can't let that one slide, scambo.

Our original bet was based on your comment that ALPA would "throw the AirTran guys under the bus" presumably to court favor with SWAPA. I'm glad to pay the $100 if there is ANY evidence of that -- but so far, you've yet to provide a shred.

As for this one, you allege that the judgment against ALPA could be $1.2B, again without a shred of evidence. I'm willing to discount it 90%.

So, either put up or clam up.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:00 PM
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I doubt it will be even that. During the initial trial, ALPA was barred from presenting evidence of what AMR management would have done if the scope waiver had not been approved by the TWA MEC (all TWA pilots by the way who somehow forgot how they voted).

During the damages trial, this evidence will HAVE to be admitted. Therefore, when AMR management testifies that they would have shut down TWA and transferred their assets in a liquidation, the damages will be shown to be zero.

Notwithstanding that there is no case in the first place, proving damages will be incredibly difficult. You never know with a jury, but the TWA pilots are in a difficult position when this evidence gets to trial. I am guessing legal fees and not much else in a settlement.
alfa, I agree with you 100%. But since scambo threw out the $1.2B figure, I thought SURELY he'd be willing to put his money where his mouth is, and I was even willing to discount his figure 90% to make it a no-brainer.... which I gladly did. So far.... crickets.

Some people, apparently, just like to complain.
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