Delta Pilots Association
08-08-2011, 07:08 AM
#5621
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
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Please tell all of us the last time someone in union leadership took a cushy management job.
08-08-2011, 08:35 AM
#5623
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Just curious: How do we know if the opener will reflect the majority of pilots wishes? What are the checks and balances? For all I know the survey results for each pilot could be filed into an electronic abyss....
Maybe it is just me...but with all the crooked politicians in our world, how can we be sure that greed, power, and a promise for a cushy management job has not spread to our union leadership?
Maybe it is just me...but with all the crooked politicians in our world, how can we be sure that greed, power, and a promise for a cushy management job has not spread to our union leadership?
It has for all intents and purposes. It happens at DAL/DALPA (think current CP and many 4th floor types.) It also happens at national. Think Duane W. et al. Watch LM land in a government /lobbying role as soon as he no longer is in his current position.
Real ? is how will he transition to the next step. Will it be on his own accord, or, will it be because a billion + dollar judgement against ALPA causes a mass exodus.
I know I can't afford an assesment on this pay
Last edited by TheManager; 08-08-2011 at 09:24 AM.
08-08-2011, 08:37 AM
#5624
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: 767A (Ret)
Posts: 6,248
IMHO:
1) WS is a good guy, honest and fair with pilots.
2) The ATL Chief Pilot job is anything but "cushy".
3) Management would be stupid to promote a union official who sold out the membership. Such people couldn't be trusted on their team either.
1) WS is a good guy, honest and fair with pilots.
2) The ATL Chief Pilot job is anything but "cushy".
3) Management would be stupid to promote a union official who sold out the membership. Such people couldn't be trusted on their team either.
08-08-2011, 08:42 AM
#5625
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Posts: 2,539
TomGoodman has a great point. Yours is bovine excrement.
08-08-2011, 09:03 AM
#5626
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
I agree ref WS' character.
I dont really know if there are cushy management jobs. I do think there are mgmt jobs that insulate you from certain risks associated with being a rank and file person.
As to stupidity in promoting, exhibit A is Ron A. What in the world was the board thinking? Same with Tilton.
08-08-2011, 09:10 AM
#5627
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Makes moderators delete posts etc.
If you'd like, I could post a series of initials?
How far back should I go ? Recent history? Pre BK? L M CEO era? R A 1st? Or 90-95?
08-08-2011, 09:23 AM
#5628
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Joined APC: Jun 2011
Position: King Air Left
Posts: 16
From a July 26 hotline from Boston base chairman Steve Bacon that upset Bates and ALPA:
"I cannot fathom anyone expecting to have a unified voice of labor when the largest Pilot labor organization speaks for the commuters and regionals over the wishes of the majors, many of them belonging to and paying the lion's share of the dues. They have screwed us on Duty time, ATP Requirements, age 65, security screening, and drug testing, as well, and as much as their own members.
"The support we 'get' for the negotiating coach (Professional Negotiator) and EF+A committee we 'get ' for a half million / year. There is no benevolence, just business. With their loss of the TWA DFR suit, ALPA is left holding the bag for 1.2 billion dollars. (pending appeal) It's a good time for the major airlines to start thinking about organizing a pilots union that represents the issues of our craft and trade, external to ALPA, and without it's 300K plus salaries.
" ALPA is presently attempting to organize Jet Blue. You can read about it at jetblueoc.org I am personally Very much in favor of Jet Blue organizing, I just question whom they are being courted by. I will not support it. I think (opinion) their pilots would be better served by becoming an independent and associating with CAPA so our common interests can be heard without having to placate the non-ancillary constituencies. Short of that, labor unity isn't going to be achieved any sooner than $3.00 Red Sox tickets."
"I cannot fathom anyone expecting to have a unified voice of labor when the largest Pilot labor organization speaks for the commuters and regionals over the wishes of the majors, many of them belonging to and paying the lion's share of the dues. They have screwed us on Duty time, ATP Requirements, age 65, security screening, and drug testing, as well, and as much as their own members.
"The support we 'get' for the negotiating coach (Professional Negotiator) and EF+A committee we 'get ' for a half million / year. There is no benevolence, just business. With their loss of the TWA DFR suit, ALPA is left holding the bag for 1.2 billion dollars. (pending appeal) It's a good time for the major airlines to start thinking about organizing a pilots union that represents the issues of our craft and trade, external to ALPA, and without it's 300K plus salaries.
" ALPA is presently attempting to organize Jet Blue. You can read about it at jetblueoc.org I am personally Very much in favor of Jet Blue organizing, I just question whom they are being courted by. I will not support it. I think (opinion) their pilots would be better served by becoming an independent and associating with CAPA so our common interests can be heard without having to placate the non-ancillary constituencies. Short of that, labor unity isn't going to be achieved any sooner than $3.00 Red Sox tickets."
08-08-2011, 11:07 AM
#5630
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: 73 lifer
Posts: 130
Wow! That's a real stretch. That pilot helps pilots out more than any other CPO I've seen. I'd rather not see character assassination used for this purpose. That's just cold blooded IMHO. It's been close to 10 years since he held a union position. Now he's doing good for the pilots as a CP. Why drag his good name through the mud? I only see one or two names of pilots that had union positions many years ago even close to 4th floor and a guy on the front line like WS doesn't count in my book. So he chose to apply for a vacant job with other pilots. So no one in the DPA will take a LCA position or and SLI position or....
Give this shameful ruse a break
Give this shameful ruse a break
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