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Old 05-23-2011, 06:57 AM
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Yeah, I'm just being a jerk...so what.
Is THAT a fact or an opinion?

I know.. now I'M being a jerk... so what.
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:18 AM
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Actually, much of what Alfa stated was pure fact. Whether those facts are true or not is unknown to me...
Wow. You've out done yourself on this one.
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Actually, much of what Alfa stated was pure fact. Whether those facts are true or not is unknown to me, but based on his previous experience, I suspect most are. For example, he states:
Uh, wut?


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Old 05-23-2011, 07:50 AM
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Wow. You've out done yourself on this one.
Alfa was providing some historical facts related to the TWA/APA integration. If you feel his facts are in error, by all means, please post facts that refute what he stated. I'm all ears.
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Uh, wut?


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Pretty straight forward, Nu. Here are the facts that Alfa claimed:

1. The TWA MEC had spent every dime of their dues and had been given millions more in OCF and MCF grants.
2. Their final request came for a request from the MCF to file a federal lawsuit.
3. MCF money can only go for specific items related to contract negotiation and strike. It can't be used for lawsuits.
4. The TWA MEC willingly signed onto the agreement to be purchased by American.


Please tell me which of these is not true, and provide some evidence to support that claim. Is that easy enough to understand?
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Old 05-23-2011, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Well, Carl, once again you don't let facts get in the way of your diatribes.
I'm quoting from the Seham report. What part of this report do you claim is a lie? Or is this just another of your diatribes?

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The TWA MEC had spent every dime of their dues and had been given millions more in OCF and MCF grants. Their final request came for a request from the MCF to file a federal lawsuit. MCF money can only go for specific items related to contract negotiation and strike. It can't be used for lawsuits.
Then why did Randolph Babbit (former ALPA president) respond under oath as follows:

"Why would you give them a whole lot of money if they're not going to be part of ALPA?"

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The TWA MEC willingly signed onto the agreement to be purchased by American and then decided they wanted to look backwards and blame everyone else. Their claim is that other people "bullied" them into it. Wow, their main defense is that they were too weak to stand up for their own interests. Excellent move.
Read the Seham report instead of your ALPA talking points. The report is highly sourced and footnoted. If there is ANY falsehoods whatsoever in that report, then post it. I'd like to see it...and ALPA would as well.

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So the TWA MEC wanted to flush more of OUR money down the drain trying to cover up the fact that they misrepresented their own pilots. Sure, it's easy to see why they were told no.
No. This could only be said by someone who hasn't read the Seham report. Read it.

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So, the facts are that the TWA spent every dime of dues money they ever paid. They were given millions more of OUR money to help them out. They screwed the pooch royally in their pursuit of an SLI and wanted to spend more of OUR money to cover their tracks. And by the way, their lawsuit was a bunch of crap also, just like this one.
Don't you just hate factless diatribes?

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Old 05-23-2011, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Read the Seham report instead of your ALPA talking points. The report is highly sourced and footnoted. If there is ANY falsehoods whatsoever in that report, then post it. I'd like to see it...and ALPA would as well.



No. This could only be said by someone who hasn't read the Seham report. Read it.
I have. And you should read the ALPA reply found here: TWAPilot

Just so you have the other side of the story.
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Old 05-23-2011, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
I have. And you should read the ALPA reply found here: TWAPilot

Just so you have the other side of the story.
A very good read is the last link of the TWAPilot link that you provide entitled: "Order Denying DFMotion to Decertify". In his motion to deny ALPA's request, the judge cites a brief history of this in 4 pages. This is a very illustrative 4-page reading. I'm embarrassed for the ALPA legal team for making such a claim...and it makes me fear just how weak our legal representation really is.

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Old 05-24-2011, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
A very good read is the last link of the TWAPilot link that you provide entitled: "Order Denying DFMotion to Decertify".
Who is the defendant in this DFR suit, the APA (the pilots of American Airlines' collective bargaining agent) or the ALPA (the pilots of Trans World Airlines' collective bargaining agent)?

The DFR suit identifies the defendant in the judgement as:

ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION, ET
AL.,
Defendants.
It then goes on to say, in line 2:
1. This matter appears before the Court upon Defendant Air
Line Pilots Association’s
Motion to Decertify Plaintiffs’ Class
Pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(c)(1)(C). For the reasons set
forth below, the Court will deny Defendant’s motion.
Is the APA now representing the interests of the ALPA in this matter, or are their interests somehow intermingled (the "ET AL." in the defendant identification representing, among others, the ALPA)?

Thank you for the clarification.
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Old 05-24-2011, 11:47 AM
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Haha it appears you have several people sniping this thread from ALPA/DALPA Carl. I hate to say it but I have a feeling some of our dues money is being wasted here as well. Keep up the good fight my friend.
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