Carl Spackler

I got news for you ace...YOU are every Tom, Dick and Harry. In fact, you're probably worse because you don't even WANT to raise the bar at your carrier.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Good luck with that.

Doesn't matter how PCL_128 came up, you both want to win the lottery. He did, and you're still hoping.

Carl

Karnak

JoeMerchant, the Chicago Cubs of aviation. Sooooooo close!

tsquare

Actually, this is spot on. If you are satisfied flying "RJs", you should be fine, and none of this should matter to you. (But the crack pipe must be close if you think you are gonna get anything bigger under a DAL code.) It is really a catch 22. In a crappy economy that anybody with a brain can see isn't going to change anytime soon, you would be crazy to cheer for the demise of your company, all the while having no guarantee that you will obtain anything better if it does. I really don't envy your position. And I am more interested in growing MY company too...

The situation is just as airline managements have designed, we fight amongst ourselves. Best of luck to all.

tsquare

I'm not sure I follow you. How would him not wanting.. say A320s at his company raise the bar there? You say that he wants to win the lottery by getting hired at a legacy or whatever.... What if he has run the numbers and sees that the Carl Spacklers of the world aren't gonna retire anytime soon or that he will never be a 747 captain? Maybe it isn't better for him to struggle to climb the ladder at a legacy where he will never reach higher than a A320 captain.. and then only after 10 years. If he supports his company obtaining A320s NOW.. he is at the top of the food chain.. just like you... I am not saying that I support his position, I am just saying that I understand it. You and I don't have to stand on that limb with saw in hand like he and so many others do.

And... I just spent 2 DH legs on your whale this weekend.. man that is a noisy airplane.

acl65pilot

I suspect that as we majors hold the line on scope, and the CS comes on line, the little RJ fiefdom will slowly come to an end. With it being mostly third part operators, DAL will just not renew the contracts, and these lift providers will be left with the bad.

Knowing what these contracts entail with some very strategic ending dates, if appears that the level of Third Party Operators will fall off greatly in the coming years.

alfaromeo

Don't we have enough problems without pilots fighting against other pilots. I think management knows that they will have to figure out Plan B in regards to this type of flying. Plan A (outsourcing) will end sooner or later and it will never be expanded. Therefore, as pilots, we should all try to work together to achieve what we all want: a single seniority list with all pilots flying under the same contract. We should encourage consolidation within the DCI carriers (already well under way) and we should encourage merging them into the mainline as soon as we can.

Rather than urinating on each other, we should find ways to mutually solve the problems and achieve our common objectives.

tsquare

I will have to see proof of this from the association. Call me skeptical, but the proof is in the pudding.


One world order? uh.. no thanks

scambo1

Alfa;

Did you lend Bar your computer?

satchip

The reality is that DCI pilots are already Delta pilots, they are just not on our list. They fly Delta aircraft, Delta passengers, and generate Delta revenue.

Tsquare and Alfa are right. Outsourcing will continue as long as there are financial benefits to it. As long as we carry a heavy debt load, the company will look for ways to off load capex. What might make outsourcing unprofitable would be attaching liability to the code, not the certificate.

Alfa is right because only through unity and strength of numbers will we gain enough clout to affect the decisions that determine our futures.