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05-01-2011, 07:44 PM

#5301

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant

I find it interesting that a military only pilot, Scambo1, "gets it", while a civilian former regional pilot, DAL 88 Driver, continues to practice the ALPA apartheid that considers the "regional pilots" to be second class citizens....Sad.....

I see. So if major pilots don't agree to "bring" regional pilots over to their seniority lists without the same hiring process they went through...they're practicing apartheid? And we're considering them second class citizens?

Are you always such a drama queen?

Carl

05-01-2011, 07:54 PM

#5302

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant

That's why under the current situation, I don't advocate "raising the bar" here at ASA.

Wow. Just to recap: because scope was sold you decided to turn down a job at the majors because you preferred to be at a regional. Now you don't even care to raise the bar at your regional?

Have you ever heard the term: "Growing a pair?"

Carl

05-01-2011, 08:00 PM

#5303

JoeMerchant

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Originally Posted by scambo1

Joe;

I dont know if I get it or not.

I dont hate regional pilots...just another squirrel trying to get a nut. DALPA (we) effed up loosening scope and now we cant seem to put together an official gameplan to get it back except to hear guys say: "how much are you willing to pay to recapture scope?"

I am against ALPAs support of the flight school over experience arguement. I have always thought that if you want to fly people in big airplanes, you should have an atp. What I think is immaterial. ALPA's official policy is weak and lagged the CAPA.

I think that passing a major airline's interview process is hardly a weeding out process, but whatever DAL does works, because I always fly with great folks.

I don't feel like "I have arrived" because I am a "major airline pilot." I made 45K/year more on my DAL w-2 as a 5th year pilot than I do as a 12th year (payscale) pilot. I have had a second career since before bankruptcy. If I had arrived, I wouldn't need/want that.

We always have pilots on here talk about scope as it relates to the regional pilot...how they arent qualified...what about Alaska?

I am rambling, but I dont know if I get it...I am pretty sure ALPA doesnt get it though either.

Scambo1, you do get it, and I am impressed...Not many of your fellow mainline former military pilots do get it.

I don't "hate" mainline pilots either. However, I have made a career here at ASA because this is where the growth has been. QOL is more important to me than pay or "size" of airplane flown. If we work together, we can move the bar forward...If we don't, then we will defend our own turf and protect what we have, while management plays us against one another...The choice is ours...

05-01-2011, 08:00 PM

#5304

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant

You yourself just pointed out what happened to CMR, AWAC, and ACA....Horizon is quickly following....What would you have us do? Maybe when ALPA decides to negotiate as ONE, rather than 7 or 8, this can change...

What I would have you do is fight to improve your OWN lot in life. But you've already said you don't want to do that.

You're just like that PCL 128 guy who hired on with one of the industry's true bottom feeders, then hit the lottery when they were purchased by Southwest.

Is this what guys like you think is fighting to improve your lives? Do you buy lottery tickets for your retirement?

Carl

05-01-2011, 08:07 PM

#5305

JoeMerchant

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Really? You turned down a job at the majors? And you only turned down a job at the majors because scope was sold?

As they say in the Senate, you may wish to revise and extend those remarks.

Carl

Carl, I never "turned down" a major job. I hired on at ASA in 1994 after waiting years because of the "Gulf War 1/early 90s" downturn. Even then, it was a slow upgrade. I wasn't "qualified" until late 2000 given the 1000 turbine PIC requirement. At that time, I looked at the economic situation and the current financials of the majors and decided it wasn't prudent to go to the bottom of a major list. The economy was declining rapidly after the dot.com bubble burst, and the legacy pension plans were in bad shape...The numbers didn't look good.

That turned out to be the right assessment and was reinforced with the 911 attacks....If I had hired on at United in 2000, I would still be furloughed 11 years later...

Scope was sold years ago by the majors, including YOU...The majors didn't want to fly "little airplanes" for some reason...I have my suspicions as to why, but I will save those....

05-01-2011, 08:10 PM

#5306

JoeMerchant

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

1. You don't have to "bring" sh!t to you seniority list...However, as a separate group, we will work towards what benefits US....Don't care how it affects you...Your choice....

2. It is "aparteid" when you consider us "different" or "less qualified"...You are entitled to your OPINION, but it doesn't foster "UNITY"...Again, your choice..

05-01-2011, 08:15 PM

#5307

JoeMerchant

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Because scope was sold, and because you and some of your colleagues were too good to fly "little airplanes", there haven't been many "mainline" jobs in the past 15 years. In addition, those jobs are worth about half what they were 15 years ago.

As a result of that scope being sold, my carrier has to COMPETE with every TOM, DICK, and HARRY to fly this outsourced flying...Cost is a major factor in winning these RFPs....CMR raised the bar more than anyone in the past decade...How were they "rewarded"? Sorry, I don't want that "reward"...

I have heard the term "growing a pair"...Have you heard the phrase "cutting your nose of to spite your face"?

05-01-2011, 08:22 PM

#5308

JoeMerchant

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

What I would have you do is fight to improve your OWN lot in life. But you've already said you don't want to do that.

Like CMR, or AWAC, or ACA...How about PDT, WestAir, or Horizon? Improving my OWN lot in life involves GROWING my company, and not shrinking away...That won't improve YOUR lot however...

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

You're just like that PCL 128 guy who hired on with one of the industry's true bottom feeders, then hit the lottery when they were purchased by Southwest.

That's funny...PCL128 and I have been fighting for a decade on the message boards...We don't agree on many things. He paid to work for Gulfstream, then went to Pinnacle, then Air Tran...now Southwest.

That being said, he is right on this issue. I welcome the changing ideas on this issue...

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Is this what guys like you think is fighting to improve your lives? Do you buy lottery tickets for your retirement?

Carl

Improving my life involves growing my company.....My retirement is looking fine as I have been saving plenty for it...I'll be just fine in retirement, but thanks for caring...

05-01-2011, 08:35 PM

#5309

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant

Carl, I never "turned down" a major job.

Oh. Then this post of yours was pure BS...

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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant

I am one of those regional "lifers"...I didn't plan on that, but because scope was sold, I decided to go for QOL at the top of the regional list rather than the bottom of the mainline list.

You didn't have the choice of being on the bottom of any majors' seniority list unless you interviewed and were hired. Since you did neither, you should have said: I decided to go for QOL at the top of ASA's list and not apply to the majors.

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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant

That turned out to be the right assessment and was reinforced with the 911 attacks....

None of us knows what was right or not until we retire.

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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant

If I had hired on at United in 2000, I would still be furloughed 11 years later.

You couldn't have been hired at United or anywhere else unless you had applied...which you say you did not.

Carl

05-01-2011, 08:51 PM

#5310

Carl Spackler

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1. You don't have to "bring" sh!t to you seniority list...However, as a separate group, we will work towards what benefits US....Don't care how it affects you...Your choice....

Of course you will. You're not just a separate group, you're a separate company. Plus you're an RJ guy by choice and never applied to a major airline, so I would expect nothing less from you.

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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant

2. It is "aparteid" when you consider us "different" or "less qualified"...

You're either showing great historical ignorance, or you're just being a drama queen. Read up on Apartheid, then come back and post what and if you've learned anything.

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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant

You are entitled to your OPINION, but it doesn't foster "UNITY"...Again, your choice..

You're just another guy who is advocating for a lottery type victory similar to ValuJet/AirTran getting bought by Southwest. You advocate that RJ pilots like yourself be "brought" to the seniority lists of the majors, or else you'll continue to drag the profession down by working for poverty wages. In effect, you're saying: If I can't have that major job...nobody can. You're free to believe and behave any way you wish. But you wanting us to make you whole from your decision to not apply for the majors is not going to happen. No matter how much you threaten to ruin the profession for everyone, and no matter how many times you attach the name "Unity" to your desire.

Carl