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04-26-2011, 12:06 PM

#5211

satchip

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

If you don't like what he's saying then at least respond to my logical argument instead of trying to tell me what he's saying... which is a wrong assumption on your part in the first place.

Sure, you raise a very good point. SWA rates very well be the new market equilibrium rate. That would be great. Only time will tell. One company does not a market make. Let's see what the UCAL guys and accomplish. If they get close to SWA rates, you may be right.

If they do, that will strengthen our case as UCAL is probably our number 1 competitor going forward. Was it Crandall who said that he didn't care if he paid the pilots made a million dollars and hour as long as every one else did.

04-27-2011, 01:18 PM

#5212

DAL 88 Driver

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Position: ATL MD-88A

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Originally Posted by satchip

Then state it. Base your arguments on facts and economics, not emotions and expectations. You've never stated that way before.

I've already stated it. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it "emotional." It could be stated that throwing your profession and the rest of your colleagues under the bus (by advocating that our current bankruptcy/emergency pay is appropriate compensation for what we do), just because you are afraid a big pay increase has the potential to get you furloughed... is emotional. Fear is an emotion.

We all provide opinions here... myself included. Most of us try to base our opinions on facts. Sometimes different individuals will see certain facts as being more important and relevant than other facts. Try reading my posts again. If you still see only emotion... well, I just can't help you.

04-29-2011, 05:37 PM

#5213

TANSTAAFL

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Heard a rumor from a DPA supporter that ATL is now DPA's biggest base in terms of percentage of pilots signed up. Could someone confirm that?

04-29-2011, 05:49 PM

#5214

DAL 88 Driver

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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL

Heard a rumor from a DPA supporter that ATL is now DPA's biggest base in terms of percentage of pilots signed up. Could someone confirm that?

04-29-2011, 06:19 PM

#5215

acl65pilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL

Heard a rumor from a DPA supporter that ATL is now DPA's biggest base in terms of percentage of pilots signed up. Could someone confirm that?

Would not surprise me in the least. Lots of angry pilots down here in ATL. (I notice more FO's with lanyards than Captains.)

04-29-2011, 06:37 PM

#5216

scambo1

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Would not surprise me in the least. Lots of angry pilots down here in ATL. (I notice more FO's with lanyards than Captains.)

Where does someone get one of those lanyards? My "keep delta my delta" one is a little dated. And for you FNWAs who didnt know, mine came out during the usair hostile takeover attempt.

04-29-2011, 06:37 PM

#5217

Columbia

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Quote:

Originally Posted by satchip

If they do, that will strengthen our case as UCAL is probably our number 1 competitor going forward. Was it Crandall who said that he didn't care if he paid the pilots made a million dollars and hour as long as every one else did.

So now we're listening to Crandall (or are you?) What if Crandall said, "If executives make millions a year, so should pilots" would you then believe him?
Re:Crandall: He does have a point: WN pilots (and soon to be valuejet/airtran pilots) make huge jack as do fdx and ups pilots. If you take what Crandall says at face value, then DL pilots should be looking at matching up pay scales with RAH pilots. After all, they do the same thing, right?

04-29-2011, 06:48 PM

#5218

NuGuy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scambo1

Where does someone get one of those lanyards? My "keep delta my delta" one is a little dated. And for you FNWAs who didnt know, mine came out during the usair hostile takeover attempt.

Heyas Scambo,

It's OK. There are still plenty of "Keep Delta Your Delta" bagtags floating around.

Nu

04-29-2011, 07:01 PM

#5219

DAL 88 Driver

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Would not surprise me in the least. Lots of angry pilots down here in ATL. (I notice more FO's with lanyards than Captains.)

It could also be said that there are lots of pragmatic pilots down here in ATL. Or lots of pilots who have high expectations for their careers. Or... well, you get the picture. The point being that, while anger is certainly an appropriate emotion to feel with what has happened to our careers over the past decade, anger is not necessarily the driving force behind the decision to support or not support DPA. And I think, as professional airline pilots, most of us are very capable of keeping our emotions out of decision making. I realize you think it helps your argument against DPA to categorize its supporters as "angry" and "emotional." But I think that is a deflection of the real debate. Nice try, though.