slowplay

Hey, I wasn't the one that put the "who" into this discussion. You were the one that brought names into it. I'll be happy to stick to issues if you do. Seems the whole DPA argument has shifted away from issues and into whining about "mean C44 reps and Lee Moak." Nice.

I listened to MS speak at a C44 meeting right after he published his letter. His version of history was completely rebuffed by the R&I guys in attendance. He didn't have his "facts" anywhere close to right. That's why it was fantasy. It wasn't based in reality.

slowplay

You quote the FAQ's as if they're accurate. Why aren't you posting some of the stuff they've pulled off their website, like their timeline? You know, the one where they said they'd be in place in plenty of time for Section 6?Or their base communication representatives? The ones they said they'd post when they had 5% of cards? Where did that timeline go anyway?

The facts are they turn in their fellow pilots to management for discipline. They can't meet their own timelines. When they consistently don't deliver, they change their own processes to suit their needs, not those of the Delta pilots. They claim to be transparent...I guess they actually are...

Karnak

In May the original "2,000" will start to update their cards. After all the updated cards are resubmitted, DPA will have 2,000 cards.

The other 84% of us will remain blissfully unaware of the glorious heights our careers could have achieved if we'd only chosen the same successful leadership that guided AMFA and PFAA to their winning.

DAL 88 Driver

Funny. I was at that meeting and heard something completely different than what you describe. It's not possible that you would have any kind of agenda here, right? Nah!!!

DAL 88 Driver

Nice attempt at deflection. So tell me, Slow, what specific facts are inaccurate in the FAQ I posted? Is the oldest card on record not from May? Did DPA have more than 100 cards prior to last August? How many of the 2000+ DPA cards are expiring right now? How many will expire between now and August? Let's hear some facts. Or... you could continue the smear campaign.

alfaromeo

No, Carl, kicking your butt up and down the court, I do for free. As I have said before, I am an ex-ALPA worker, now I just fly.

Please, go to the Delta Pilots Narc Squad (DPA) website and tell me the real names of 30 people who are officers/committee members/communications reps for the Delta Pilots Snitch Society (DPA).

Can you give me a dozen?

How about 6?

How about 4?

With all of those people that support them, why can't they have anyone put their real names up so we know who they are? What are they hiding from?

Why don't we have the DPA timeline anymore? What's the schedule? Are we changing unions mid contract or not? The DPA claims they are ready to go but now Carl says, well maybe after ALPA signs our next deal?

Where is their constitution? What am I supporting if I sign up for the Delta Pilots Tattletales (DPA)?

Why is half their website hidden from pilots who don't sign up? What are they hiding? Why did they have to conduct a "sting operation" (their words) to find a hidden mole who signed up for DPA? Are all pigs allowed into the club at DPA or are some pigs more equal than others?

If they are going to support me with Safety, Negotiations, Contract Administration, Security, Communications, Hotel, etc. on day one, why don't I know who will be doing the supporting?

What is the DPA's view on seniority? They have hired the law firm that claims in court that Date of Hire is the Gold Standard (their words) and is vital to the security of the union? Is the DPA going to try to change our seniority list like USAPA is or are they happy with the list as it stands? We get nothing from the Delta Pilots Dime Droppers Club (DPA) on that most important topic.

So what we have is a promise. A promise delivered on a website that a 15 year old could put up in a day. That's it. Sign me up.

Carl Spackler

No, they said that was their goal. It was something they were hoping for. Since nobody can control when 6,500 cards will happen, they were correct in stating it as a goal. But then again, accuracy has never been your forte.

BS. They defended the association against a filthy video made by some DALPA guy to slander people instead of debating facts.

But no matter how powerful DPA should ever become, I hope they never stoop so low as trying to bust another union, or treat Delta pilots like they were scabs.

Carl

TheManager

Who knows. Could be sooner....or later, but it appears it will come to a showdown eventually.

Remember, Einstein himself said, "The most powerful force in the universe is compound interest." The more cards they get into the bank (collect) the more pilots are out talking about them and ALPA on the line.

If ALPA is this concerned about this, why are they not addressing it straight up. Their methods to date are confusing because they just help to legitimize DPA. Now is the time for ALPA to take the high road and s h o w everyone why they are the better choice. They need to listen to and react to the memebers collective wants and needs. Basically, they need to overhaul the way they have been conducting the pilots business.

Carl Spackler

No they won't. They'll have 21,000 cards.

Gee, this making stuff up is really cool. No thought or facts are required, just typing!

If DALPA continues to "defend" Section 1 with their current energy, your career will zoom to glorious heights all right...at RAH. But hey, you might go straight to the top of the Teamster's leadership.

Carl

Carl Spackler

If that's what you think you're doing, I hope you keep at it. It is so illustrative for people out there to see a DALPA worker in action. You're so good for the DPA.

Even better. Please continue.

Asked and answered.

That's easy. When DPA gets 6,500 cards...that's the timeline. They either will or they won't. In the meantime you get to sharpen your slander skills, instead of defending Section 1.

People other than you would be signing up for a process whereby the pilots determine what the constitution and by-laws are. If 6,500 cards are obtained, there will be an election. If DPA is chosen as the new union, more elections will begin. Delta pilots will choose each leader and a new constitution. Is this really so hard for you to get?

Because it's smart for any organization to know if they have someone in their ranks that is trying to destroy them. That's just basic.

Because the 12,500 pilots of Delta Air Lines haven't elected them yet. Don't you remember a class in critical thinking when you were at college?

Ah yes. Straight from the DALPA communications talking points. The DPA is only made of North pilots who's secret agenda is to decertify ALPA for the express purpose of re-arbitrating the seniority list. Are you the same DALPA guy that is claiming DALPA can't defend RAH's Section 1 violation because it could mean that we'd have to integrate the Comair pilots onto the Delta seniority list? Such a rich imagination. If only you would put those energies into defending Section 1.

Carl