Carl Spackler

Unreal how you point to this while ignoring ALPA's non-stop running to management everytime they thought they saw anything they could use to block free speech and free association. Any of these dozens of items and complaints could end up in some type of discipline for the DPA pilots because none of us knows what can be spun and used against you. Let me guess slow, you think that when the ALPA guys sent their constant stream evidence to ATL management against DPA, they meant it with only the best intentions?

I'm glad they fought against being maligned with a filthy video. If they had done nothing, you would have said: "How weak are these DPA guys...they can't even stand up for themselves. How are they going to stand up for us."

I see. Is that why the ALPA guys sent all their evidence against DPA straight to Professional Standards...instead of ATL management?

ALPA's actions that week were infinitely worse than anything DPA did. The only thing DPA did was defend itself against a filthy video that maligned the association. ALPA used every low blow trick in the book to block free speech and free association among Delta pilots. That fact alone should disgust everyone, and show how weak DALPA is.

Carl

Rather B Fishin

So much for coming on here to educate myself. I feel like I'm standing on the playground of an elementary school......

Carl Spackler

Their first official act? Do you just make things up constantly?

DPA has done a number of "official acts" since their inception over a year ago. This act was simply giving evidence to management in ATL. Just like the dozens of similar acts done by DALPA all week long. But you don't count that because DALPA did it...right alfa?

Exactly what the DALPA cronies tried to do dozens of times when they ran to ATL management at every turn.

Hilarious. Do you even realize that you've just described DALPA? They spent the entire week trying to stop DPA from even being allowed to be there. When they couldn't do that, they spent the entire week trying to silence free speech and intimidate Delta pilots from free association by taking their pictures like a scab crossing a picket line. By the way, your use of Lenin and purges only proves how lost your argument is.

You do realize that ALPA did the EXACT same thing at United by closing down their forum until further notice. Thanks for showing us the similarities between USAPA and ALPA.

Evidence please? And how does one try to get someone arrested?

ALPA tried to bust their union...and lost the lawsuit to the tune of 700,000 dollars plus. To me, it's far worse for a union to try to bust a union. You obviously disagree.

Have you noticed that we're not advocating joining the USAPA? We're talking about the DPA.

We already know how ALPA deals with dissent. Receive your resolution, then pretend you don't exist.

Nothing even close to the disgusting attempts to block free speech, and intimidate free association like we were scabs. Sickening behavior.

ALPA is the sad farce:

1. Too weak to fight against the new FT/DT rules
2. Too weak to grieve our Section 1 violation against RAH
3. Too weak in its positions to allow free speech
4. Too weak to allow free association without treating Delta pilots like scabs
5. Too weak to fight for the 1500 hour rule
6. Strong enough to try to bust their own in-house union...but predictable enough to have lost.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Good choice too, because they win difficult cases. Cases like decertifying ALPA.

To summarize, ALPA's legal representation is the same counsel that tried to break ALPA's in-house union. Things that make you go EEEEWWWWW.

Like DALPA sending a constant stream of evidence to ATL management to try to eliminate DPA. And who could forget, taking pictures of Delta pilots lke they were scabs crossing a picket line.

No need to spin, just the facts will do.

Carl

DAL 88 Driver

Well thanks for that, at least. I promise you I'm not making it up. I was just in the ATL pilot lounge earlier today and ANOTHER pilot who was there relayed the same story to me. He is also someone who I trust and believe is very credible. Yes, it's "hearsay" on a web board... so you can choose to believe it or not. All I know is what I have read in the report and heard from two different pilots (who don't even know each other BTW) who were there and shared essentially the exact same story with the exact same details.

DAL 88 Driver

Do you guys REALLY want to go down that road?? After Lee Moak forwarded an article, which was written by one of our pilots, to a Delta executive... and that pilot got called into the office and threatened with his job? What is that saying about people in glass houses?

TheManager

Again, you nor I were not there. Unless you can provide the actual deposition that certifies the facts, you are speculating.

It appears that if DPA's accusations are true, they need to be heard and addressed....but not with the company. I believe that is why we have a little committee called Professional Standards.

I really am amazed at the length ALPA is going to discredit (Wilson Polling, amateur photography, counter lounge tactics, web campaign, etc.) DPA.

If they put the same energy into listening to their constituents and explaining how they are representing our concerns and needs, we wouldn't even have this thread.

TheManager

[QUOTE=DAL 88 Driver;981883]Do you guys REALLY want to go down that road?? After Lee Moak forwarded an article, which was written by one of our pilots, to a Delta executive... and that pilot got called into the office and threatened with his job? What is that saying about people in glass houses?]


Can you expand on that at all? Would it have been an article/post written by a pilot that has experienced the effects of radiation up close and personal. If so, I would find that extremely disturbing.

DAL 88 Driver

[QUOTE=TheManager;981888]No, not that person. This was an article written about 5 or 6 years ago (during Delta's bankruptcy) by a Captain who has an independent business serving a lot of clients who are Delta employees. The article was published on his web site and I believe it was also distributed to his clients via email. Sickeningly... my understanding is that it was also "distributed" to a Delta executive via Lee Moak.

slowplay

Sickeningly, you either have a complete misunderstanding or willfully misrepresent the truth.

MS posted that article on the public website for his "financial services" business. He put it on the ALPA forum. He e-mailed it to a wide distribution channel, many of whom were management that he met while working as an instructor/4th floor guy. He was a good friend of JK (an EVP at the time). You think somebody else in management that he actually sent the article to might have noticed the fantasy that he put out? But in your world it's always Moak's fault.

Is this the best you DPA'ers got? Are you unable to address the fact that DPA collected evidence that in their own writings acknowledge putting Delta pilot jobs at risk...right now...? Shows a lot of character, just not the type your mommy could be proud of.