Delta Pilots Association
04-12-2011, 08:14 AM
#4861
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
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I do commute... I have my entire career. My personal pet peeve was always when meetings were scheduled after bids closed. In my opinion it's just as easy to attend a meeting when you commute because you can bid a trip that fits in with both the meeting and the commute and you don't need to give up a day off to be a active participant.
Seems reasonable to me.... but that will only make it easier on a certain percentage of guys that WANT to go to the meetings in the first place. And... there are only so many trips on a given day.. but it is better than what they have now...
I do commute... I have my entire career. My personal pet peeve was always when meetings were scheduled after bids closed. In my opinion it's just as easy to attend a meeting when you commute because you can bid a trip that fits in with both the meeting and the commute and you don't need to give up a day off to be a active participant.
04-12-2011, 08:29 AM
#4863
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
OK... you said that the use of technology for the meetings is not well thought out... well duuuuh. It is just a gestalt concept. Hell I hardly ever use a cell phone, so I am not the one to come up with the technology.. but I;ll bet there are some guys that can.. I offered a small idea about something that can be done in the other thread. What is typical of your post is that since I don't agree with you, I am getting my panties in a bunch. What's your solution other than to say "get involved" "get on an airplane and go to the meetings"? Grow up.
04-12-2011, 03:43 PM
#4864
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 852
More comm would be nice...but make no mistake, you're going to have to show more commitment in shaping our union than simply bashing it on an anonymous forum. I know, I know...you have other things to do with your time that are more important than participating. Besides, there are others that will do it. If they don't do things the way YOU want them done, you come on here and criticize them. You will say they spend too much; that they're out of touch with what you want; that they need to put more emphasis on Scope/pay/benefits/work rules. They need to man-up and be willing to tell the company "hell no!" more often!
Not you.
Them.
You're too busy to commute into a meeting. That's an extra day every 3 months, for pete's sake!!
Too hard!!
No sweat, my brother. I'll go. And my participation will help shape our union. And that will pi$$ you off more.
Win/Win
You've taken SOME action though. You sent a card in for DPA. Maybe they'll replace ALPA, and then you can be too busy to participate at DPA. At some point, the forums will be filled with pilots whining about how DPA isn't doing things the way they want them done. They'll develop complex conspiracy theories describing how ALPA "cheerleaders" just couldn't let go...and how they undermined the efforts of DPA by attending meetings and tying things up, or forcing their "agenda". I'll read, "DPA is paying Seham too much!" and "Why has it taken us 5 years to make NO progress on our contract?".
04-12-2011, 04:28 PM
#4865
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
That's it.
More comm would be nice...but make no mistake, you're going to have to show more commitment in shaping our union than simply bashing it on an anonymous forum. I know, I know...you have other things to do with your time that are more important than participating. Besides, there are others that will do it. If they don't do things the way YOU want them done, you come on here and criticize them. You will say they spend too much; that they're out of touch with what you want; that they need to put more emphasis on Scope/pay/benefits/work rules. They need to man-up and be willing to tell the company "hell no!" more often!
Not you.
Them.
You're too busy to commute into a meeting. That's an extra day every 3 months, for pete's sake!!
Too hard!!
No sweat, my brother. I'll go. And my participation will help shape our union. And that will pi$$ you off more.
Win/Win
You've taken SOME action though. You sent a card in for DPA. Maybe they'll replace ALPA, and then you can be too busy to participate at DPA. At some point, the forums will be filled with pilots whining about how DPA isn't doing things the way they want them done. They'll develop complex conspiracy theories describing how ALPA "cheerleaders" just couldn't let go...and how they undermined the efforts of DPA by attending meetings and tying things up, or forcing their "agenda". I'll read, "DPA is paying Seham too much!" and "Why has it taken us 5 years to make NO progress on our contract?".
More comm would be nice...but make no mistake, you're going to have to show more commitment in shaping our union than simply bashing it on an anonymous forum. I know, I know...you have other things to do with your time that are more important than participating. Besides, there are others that will do it. If they don't do things the way YOU want them done, you come on here and criticize them. You will say they spend too much; that they're out of touch with what you want; that they need to put more emphasis on Scope/pay/benefits/work rules. They need to man-up and be willing to tell the company "hell no!" more often!
Not you.
Them.
You're too busy to commute into a meeting. That's an extra day every 3 months, for pete's sake!!
Too hard!!
No sweat, my brother. I'll go. And my participation will help shape our union. And that will pi$$ you off more.
Win/Win
You've taken SOME action though. You sent a card in for DPA. Maybe they'll replace ALPA, and then you can be too busy to participate at DPA. At some point, the forums will be filled with pilots whining about how DPA isn't doing things the way they want them done. They'll develop complex conspiracy theories describing how ALPA "cheerleaders" just couldn't let go...and how they undermined the efforts of DPA by attending meetings and tying things up, or forcing their "agenda". I'll read, "DPA is paying Seham too much!" and "Why has it taken us 5 years to make NO progress on our contract?".
Whose panties are in a bunch now? You're too easy. I have not one time talked about supporting DPA.. not once. I think that a little competition is good now and then, and I am all for them in that regard. And in the past, I have volunteered for union stuff. None of your business what it was, but I worked during 2 previous contracts. So I have participated. So excuuuuuuse me if I don't feel like flying to NY to hear the LEC chair thank all the volunteers for all their hard work, and read all the old business, only to adjourn in about fifteen minutes. Probably 85% of the meetings I have attended in the past were a complete waste of time. When we really start talking about contract 2020, I'll show up with bells on. Until then.. uh probably not. But by all means, drive in to ATL and go to as many meetings as you like.. and please continue to shape the union into something that will make us all proud.
BTW.... Your rant is eerily similar Charlie Villanueva's... check it out...
Last edited by tsquare; 04-12-2011 at 04:45 PM.
04-12-2011, 06:04 PM
#4866
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
You know as well as I do that ALPA will fight any initiative that doesn't go along with the strategy THEY have determined is best for us. They aren't going to let a DPA type initiative work within the system. Just look at what they did with resolutions that didn't fit in with their strategy.
Carl
04-12-2011, 06:07 PM
#4867
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Very true. We are lucky that in a base of almost 4000 pilots we get 35 line pilots to attend. When there is a resolution that has been given a lot of press you might see 80.
This always kills me, that ALPA gripes about how few attend the meetings. Could be that half or more are working, god only knows how many more commute. Cannot understand why ALPA has not figured out a way to have more participation in the meetings, ie webcast, etc. where more could participate from home and even vote on issues at the meetings from HOME. The tech is there, why not use it? Maybe they want the power to control things and then fall behind the "only 7 showed up" argument.
Sure apathy is present, but I contend less of it would be around if we had more of an opportunity to participate in the meetings from anywhere in the world, which is how much some categories are scattered.
This always kills me, that ALPA gripes about how few attend the meetings. Could be that half or more are working, god only knows how many more commute. Cannot understand why ALPA has not figured out a way to have more participation in the meetings, ie webcast, etc. where more could participate from home and even vote on issues at the meetings from HOME. The tech is there, why not use it? Maybe they want the power to control things and then fall behind the "only 7 showed up" argument.
Sure apathy is present, but I contend less of it would be around if we had more of an opportunity to participate in the meetings from anywhere in the world, which is how much some categories are scattered.
+1
Carl
04-12-2011, 06:09 PM
#4868
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
04-12-2011, 06:14 PM
#4869
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Oh do you commute back from AMS to your base to participate in the meetings? If so then you are correct all commuters are slackers that are apathetic. If not ...
So why is it that there is not some way to have online meetings, has DALPA gotten so proactively engaged with Delta management that they have actually hired Delta technology to solve this tech problem?
So why is it that there is not some way to have online meetings, has DALPA gotten so proactively engaged with Delta management that they have actually hired Delta technology to solve this tech problem?
Carl
04-12-2011, 06:19 PM
#4870
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Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
The point was made over a year ago, that the end user security is the issue. Most of us cannot fathom someone taping a LEC meeting, or better yet, logging in with a group of individuals present that "may" use what is said against those pilots.
I know crazy that someone would be fired or punished over something, but errant comments about job action etc at a meeting may be used against someone.
That said, our guys have been looking it to some way to go "live" with these meeting for some time. I guess if we push hard enough they will rush to press on it, and then when someone gets burned, we already know who we will blame for not being careful enough.
I know that statement irks people, but those are the facts. Not all people want what is best for you or us. I definitely would not want to see some of the comments made at meeting showing up on You Tube or in the press. As they say, once it is on the internet it is there forever.
I know crazy that someone would be fired or punished over something, but errant comments about job action etc at a meeting may be used against someone.
That said, our guys have been looking it to some way to go "live" with these meeting for some time. I guess if we push hard enough they will rush to press on it, and then when someone gets burned, we already know who we will blame for not being careful enough.
I know that statement irks people, but those are the facts. Not all people want what is best for you or us. I definitely would not want to see some of the comments made at meeting showing up on You Tube or in the press. As they say, once it is on the internet it is there forever.
Carl
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