tsquare

Apparently it was done via a compensation committee.. I don't pretend to know all the facts... but I am sure it is published on some obscure document that is only slightly easier to find than Amelia Earhart's airplane..

satchip

Regardless, it's a positive step and one you have been clamoring for. As a Vol you must be used to begrudgingly acknowledging the accomplishments of others.

johnso29

C20 most likely refers to one's council. C20 equals Council 20.....or DTW.

tsquare

I hate you....

How bout them Lady Vols?!?!?!?!

tsquare

LM was a Council 66 guy.. but the C20 was some kind of VIP aircraft in the AF... I always thought he was a squid.

Carl Spackler

Anytime the members have to introduce resolutions to have the union do things they should already be doing, it IS fighting our own members. No talking points, no drama...just fact. One of the most frustrating things about dealing with ALPA/DALPA is the sense that we have to fight our own union leadership as hard as management. That's sad.

There is nothing factual about such an opinion based statement. Delta Air Lines did not hire anyone with 200 hours to fly Delta passengers. If you think that's enough time to qualify you to be an airline pilot, I can't help you.

OK drama queen, I've never said any of that. I'm not saying I don't want them, I'm saying I want them to compete with the military, corporate and non-sched guys to get on the Delta seniority list. Not a back door entry to the Delta list because you hired on with an RJ airline with under a thousand hours.

I'm not surprised you don't want to respond to an accurate translation of what you really want. You really want the back door entry to the Delta seniority list for the RJ pilots who didn't hire on with Delta. You felt like you suffered by not hiring on with Delta 10 years prior to when you did. You don't want anymore RJ pilots to suffer as you did. That's no reason to do a mass hiring of many unqualified pilots to one of the most experienced and qualified seniority lists in the world. And to rename this idiotic effort as "unity" is just...well, idiotic.

Carl

johnso29

I don't think he was referring to LM, but rather Caplinger.

Carl Spackler

Yup. Failed twice.

That argument is used quite often by those who don't want things fixed because they are wedded to the status quo. Saying: "Hey, I love the status quo" wouldn't garner much sympathy. But saying: "The issues are very complex and don't allow for easy answers" is a much better way of saying you love the status quo. It's a tactic used constantly by bureaucrats, and sadly, it works. When Einstein was writing his theory of relativity universal gravitation, his inital formula was scoffed at by his "peers" because it was too simple...it just couldn't be correct. Now we all know E=MC2 was both simple and correct.

My goal is to get guys other than you to realize BS when they hear it. For example, using the word "fragmentation" to describe the effort of organizing an in-house union. Or using the word "unity" to describe back door entries to our seniority list.

I've decided that our efforts at an in-house union should be described as "patriotism." I'm all about patriotism. You and the other ALPA forever types are against patriotism.

Being against patriotism will just never work acl.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Yes master...YES MASTER!!

Carl

Carl Spackler

If you paid attention (which I know you do not), you would know that nobody here is equating winning with USAPA. Besides, everyone knows that you can only equate winning with Charlie Sheen.

What I HAVE said is that USAPA's law firm (Seham) won because they did what they were hired to do...decertify ALPA. Whether that was the best thing to do, is a separate question. When you hire a law firm and they do exactly what you've asked them to do, the law firm is a winner. Whether you're a winner or not depends on the wisdom of what you've asked your law firm to do.

Carl