forgot to bid

RAH doesn't want a union that is funded by us?

forgot to bid

I got an ear full once crossing the Atlantic from a Captain who voted against C2K because of scope.

I mean he has a great point. C2K pay is gone. Cut in half. Work rules gone. 728 mainline aircraft after the merger and 634 regional jets are not gone. Now we can say RJ's are going but imagine if oil was $40bb, they probably wouldn't be going at all and there would be an itch that couldn't be scratched over Ejets and CRJ900s.

so maybe someone should've listened to him because who cares about C2K rates if a large portion of the airline is subsequently outsourced?

Fly4hire

We have the best Scope language in the industry - Chairman Moak told us so at a LEC meeting last year. I sleep soundly knowing we are so well protected.

forgot to bid

you're so right. I shouldn't worry.

tsquare

You mean unlike now where we trust our careers to a "trust me, we know what we are doing"? But if you have read any of my posts, you KNOW that my beef is with the national pig... And I will STILL drive Lee's car to DC to save us the rental that he is "entitled" to....

tsquare

You are correct, and unfortunately it is being ignored by the ASSociation because they once again have the luxury to do so.

gloopy

I don't know why not, they have an airline that is.

TANSTAAFL

You also know that while he was being told to back off his rivet crusade we had a wing fairing fall off a 757 and land in someones yard and said F/O was being congratulated for his attention to detail and the Co. was eating some serious crow?

Character assassination of those involved with DPA is totally missing the point. It may not be going anywhere, and poorly executed, but that does not mean that ALPA can smugly rest on it's laurels and say all is well because the DALPA machine has vanquished a threat.

This is not about winning, it's about being the organization where pilots don't feel the need for a DPA.

gloopy

What is that car stipend anyway, like $1200 per month? You can't get anything decent for that anyway. I say we throw him in the thorny briar patch of justice and let him suffer riding around in whatever beater he can lease for that paltry monthly sum.

jetnwa

Karnak,

Just for clarification, you do know there was a "Flex Up" portion to the 10% pay increase for the 2003 NWA contract while guys were on the street?

Since flying high time or picking up GS flying doesn't affect staffing (or so I am told from both camps) I assume you would support that position as well and not be in the minority if it ever came to a vote for the new DALPA group? I am just curious to what your "position" would be? I know what my position will be.

It may have been a law of unintended consequences by the union but NWA had recalled half the furloughed pilots and was in the process of a total recall as per my phone calls with the head of NWA HR .."we are trying to get all of the furloughed pilots back ASAP!". Maybe the union had the same knowledge as well, I don't know. Maybe it was all "smoke and mirrors" from the company?

For me, I had to make a flying job choice for the interim and was close to recall. This job didn't require seniority resignation on my part which was HUGE for me. They only wanted a 2 year commitment/contract for the type rating. It came with good health insurance, decent pay etc. Quite a quandry as the recall got ever closer to me.

Well, I do know this, once the new contract passed the recalls were immediately STOPPED. After the new contract was implemented the recalled guys were re-furloughed. Coincidence? Again, who knows?

I was glad the recall didn't get to me as I had taken the interim flying job. Once I saw what was going to happen with the recalled furloughees who got furloughed again, I knew I made the right choice. Some of these two time furloughed guys really paid a tough price. I can see why they are upset but don't think that is the core reason for the DPA drive. Other factors, like DAL pilots only being concerned for DAL pilots, may be a bigger reason.

I am not a rabid DPA or anti ALPA kind of guy, but I know this "prophecy".. "when money talks..BS walks". Quite frankly, I don't trust anyone...the union, management, it doesn't matter. When people start talking big pay raises, I am all for it but one has to look at the fine print and see if it will cost someone's job in the process, work rules, scope etc.

This was from my perspective and others on the property may have been dealing with a different one. Again, I don't think that was the intent of the union. I have no malice to them esp the fact they paid for our COBRA premiums while we were on the street.


I just wanted to clarify your NWA history of events. Things don't always seem as they appear.