Delta Pilots Association
03-10-2011, 01:56 PM
#4661
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
This is just the latest example of what you're missing. The efforts of individual members should not be wasted on fighting our own union!
We should ALL be fighting to make gains against a management that doesn't want to give us a single thing. Instead, we fight each other over process. It is no wonder why management is terrified of losing ALPA.
Carl
We should ALL be fighting to make gains against a management that doesn't want to give us a single thing. Instead, we fight each other over process. It is no wonder why management is terrified of losing ALPA.
Carl
That is dead on and YOU know it. It's just painful for you to hear your desires clearly stated.
Translation: I want those aircraft and those pilots merged onto our seniority list even though many are unhireable. They are my friends and I don't want to see them suffer the way I did.
Translation: I want those aircraft and those pilots merged onto our seniority list even though many are unhireable. They are my friends and I don't want to see them suffer the way I did.
Fact is that they are good enough to fly our passengers as DCI pilots they should be good enough to fly here. This is the lack of unity that I am talking about. You do not want em, great, screw them over and leave ALPA, whiz all over them and their union See how that works out for you while you fight them at the table with our company.
Man those Compass and Mesaba guys that came here are getting fired left and right
Translation: Anyone who doesn't agree with my dream of creating a back door entry of RJ pilots to the majors' seniority list is fostering disunity.
Carl
03-10-2011, 01:57 PM
#4662
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Seriously Carl, I much prefer to fly 12 day trips to Asia than to have a "career" in ALPA. In fact, having a so called career in ALPA is the furthest thing from my mind.
My goals are:
Get you and this group to realize that DPA or the like will result in negative gains versus what ALPA can do over the course of my career and in reality yours.
Get a great contract that my wife can stay at home on
Move to a place that is the best location for my family.
No where is there a plan for a career in ALPA. I fly airplanes for a living, and do ALPA work because I am passionate about our future. I know it is hard for many to not think about what is best for me, but I am of the school of though that if it is good for you, it must be good for me. Crazy, I know, but them the facts. So quit the character assassinations when you know they are way off the mark.
My goals are:
Get you and this group to realize that DPA or the like will result in negative gains versus what ALPA can do over the course of my career and in reality yours.
Get a great contract that my wife can stay at home on
Move to a place that is the best location for my family.
No where is there a plan for a career in ALPA. I fly airplanes for a living, and do ALPA work because I am passionate about our future. I know it is hard for many to not think about what is best for me, but I am of the school of though that if it is good for you, it must be good for me. Crazy, I know, but them the facts. So quit the character assassinations when you know they are way off the mark.
Carl
03-10-2011, 02:08 PM
#4663
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
I believe most all of what you've written above is pure BS. I've seen ALPA/management ladder climbers like you my whole career. Step one is to pretend to be a regular line pilot. Step two is to make everyone believe you agree with them by using plenty of double-speak and weasel words. That is you to a tee bud. Thankfully, most of the transparent politicians such as yourself don't climb the ladder very far.
Carl
Carl
Reality Carl and the answers to issues are never as clear as you want them to be. It holds true anywhere.
Frankly I am a line guy, never held a full FPL position anywhere. If I ever accept one, I will tirelessly do the pilots work, but as I have said, that is not a "goal"
My goal is to get guys like you to realize the fragmentation of our union will never work.
03-10-2011, 02:25 PM
#4665
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: Flying the SEC
Posts: 2,350
You mean like your failed attempt to get in to ALPA politics?
Reality Carl and the answers to issues are never as clear as you want them to be. It holds true anywhere.
Frankly I am a line guy, never held a full FPL position anywhere. If I ever accept one, I will tirelessly do the pilots work, but as I have said, that is not a "goal"
My goal is to get guys like you to realize the fragmentation of our union will never work.
Reality Carl and the answers to issues are never as clear as you want them to be. It holds true anywhere.
Frankly I am a line guy, never held a full FPL position anywhere. If I ever accept one, I will tirelessly do the pilots work, but as I have said, that is not a "goal"
My goal is to get guys like you to realize the fragmentation of our union will never work.
Anyone who equates USAPA with winning is way beyond reasoning with.
Last edited by satchip; 03-10-2011 at 02:26 PM. Reason: avoiding the grammar police
03-10-2011, 02:40 PM
#4666
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,324
You're wasting your breath. This is not about what is best for Delta pilots. It's about whats best for Carl et al. This DPA thing is a power struggle plain and simple. A bunch of otherwise good guys are getting swept up in this because they are dissatisfied with their lot and blame ALPA for whatever reason.
Anyone who equates USAPA with winning is way beyond reasoning with.
Anyone who equates USAPA with winning is way beyond reasoning with.
Asking because I'm curious.
There are folks who believe that no matter what, leaving ALPA is bad. This may be a valid concern. I understand why some feel that way.
I'm of the mind frame that if done right, and done right being the major concern, that we would be better positioned if 100% of our dues went to 100% of our concerns. Maybe that is naive.
It just seems that when part of our dues are used to support the groups we get worked against, we are losing out. Maybe that is naive as well.
It seems that if we never even consider going on our own as an option we are limiting ourselves. That is why I sent my card in, so I have the option.
03-10-2011, 02:45 PM
#4667
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
ACL,
How do we know if its the best mechanism if we never consider any options? Because they tell us so?
So lets air it out and have ALPA explain/defend its actions. At the very least maybe this whole affair will result in some changes in ALPA that benefit the Delta Pilots.
Scoop
How do we know if its the best mechanism if we never consider any options? Because they tell us so?
So lets air it out and have ALPA explain/defend its actions. At the very least maybe this whole affair will result in some changes in ALPA that benefit the Delta Pilots.
Scoop
03-10-2011, 03:22 PM
#4668
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,903
03-10-2011, 03:26 PM
#4669
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,599
As always, you haven't a clue of what you're talking about. I came from NWA. A management group that constantly tried to crush its unions. We had to strike in order to get what we knew was fair. It was painful, but we did it with 100% unity.
In contrast, you've never struck and have always accepted the first offer. How shall we describe this "culture" Sailingfun??
Carl
In contrast, you've never struck and have always accepted the first offer. How shall we describe this "culture" Sailingfun??
Carl
Ok, The red book and green book guys got along great. The SEA and DTW MEC got along great. There were never any observers or reporters or whatever watching each side. It was all one huge happy family.
Somehow for Dalpa being so wrong they managed to produce consistently overall better contracts then NWA. Think about why!
03-10-2011, 03:29 PM
#4670
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
IPA got UPS pilot's their current rates after who???? FedEx. And whom is FedEx represented by????? That's right. ALPA.
SWAPA became some of the highest paid pilots in our profession after UAL/DAL/NWA/UsAir rates were slashed in BK. They NEVER negotiated industry leading rates, they fell into them.
Those are facts.
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