Carl Spackler

You are wrong.

Carl

johnso29

Carl,

I sent in my DPA card. They still have it. I've looked at the website. I've read the emails. Bottom line, my OWN conclusion is they CAN'T get it done. Independent unions continue to fail.

You don't have to like my opinion, but I think you should at least respect the fact that I took the time to do my own research & come to my own conclusion.

Carl Spackler

You parroted the talking point of equating any attempts at an in-house union with the USAPA. That's not doing your own research, that's just repeating talking points. I do not respect that.

Carl

Karnak

No. It's the fact that if things play out the way Carl would like them to play out, he will need me to be with him. At that point he will demand that I conform, shut up, and stop breeding disunity.

Unless the DPA believes that pilot unity is not important, I think they will frequently remind us that we should all be willing to compromise on our individual expectations and priorities for the sake of unity. They won't appreciate members like Carl calling anybody who supports the organization "apologists" or "cheerleaders".

sailingfun

Carl came from a culture of disunity. Its all he knows. The next contract process is starting as we speak. The single most important thing we can have is unity. DPA is dead because they could not even organize themselves and get the most modest aspects of their own requirements done. Carl thinks they could take over and represent 12,000 pilots???????

johnso29

Wrong Carl. It's not parroting. It's facts.


Fact-USAPA has failed to negotiate a SLI.

Fact-USAPA has failed to negotiate any kind of raises for their members.

Fact-FAPA failed to negotiate the top spot on a seniority list thereby having the most senior Frontier pilot ending up junior to a regional pilot.

Fact-SWAPA has failed to ever negotiate industry leading rates

APA has failed to negotiate a new contract and LOST an arbitration case allowing 22 more CRJ700's to be flown by American Eagle.

Fact-Caplinger reached out to APA President Bates, & Bates himself told Mr. Caplinger DPA was a BAD idea, & he would not support DPA.

Those are facts Carl. All failures by independent unions. I'll stick with ALPA. And that's my OWN research Carl.

Karnak

But you'll need him too, right? He'll be a "brother" that will need to support them if DPA takes over? You'll expect that, right?

You call him a "parrot" because he used the most recent de-certification of ALPA by an independent union, advised by the DPA law firm, as evidence.

Nice.

DAL 88 Driver

You could chase your tail talking about that one all day long. Lemmings have "unity." It's only a good thing when you're unified around doing the right things.

Bottom line for me is... I'm going to support whoever is working towards getting our profession (and our careers) back on track. ALPA refuses to take even the most basic steps towards this. While DPA doesn't have a track record to examine, they make what I think is a very compelling argument. All I hear from ALPA is the same old talking points with no intention of changing. Since I have already identified ALPA's current path as a dead end, it is very easy for me to support someone else, if for no other reason than by default. Do I know 100% that things will be better with DPA? No, of course not. But I don't see where it could be any worse, and my judgment is that it is very likely to be considerably better. And don't waste your time with the whole USAPA or APA talking points. That is apples and oranges. We are not US Airways or AA.

acl65pilot

Yes that was the process, but as the reps have stated and acted, Resolutions will no longer be just received. They will be turned up or down. This is a result of our input and demand over the past practice. It is the "process" in action.

As for FPL, and the budget. I believe that the FPL Committee will be presenting findings and actions taken on this. Again, because of resolutions that were drafted and ratified in the local councils. The process is working.

What do I know? Really? The process was the process and the results are what they are. If pilots did not like the process, change the by-laws. That is again the process working towards the ends the pilots want.

This is beyond just broken. An organized take over is about all that can save it. Worked for the Egyptians. We all have Facebook and Twitter access????? Maybe Wilson Polling should be focusing on this for the next round.[/QUOTE]

You suggest an "organized takeover" of an existing organization. Well, that is reform of what we have, is it not? My point is do what you want with what we have, and if that is what you want, create your own Tea Party, and get Reps elected that will carry your will to the Master Level and the National level. That again is the process in action, and is what I have been stating is the direction we need to go in.

acl65pilot

That statement is full of crap and you know it. No one supports the growth of the regionals and do not put that in my mouth, nor put it in the mouth of your reps. Read what your reps have said.

As for what I support and who I support, you again are totally wrong, again. I am of the camp that believes that we can and should reign in outsourcing and not just to save my rump, but help not just our profession but our industry. As for RJ's being good, they are, but they should be flown by us. To make that a a reality we as a group need to understand everything about that seat classification and what will need to be done to make that a reality. Again, I have been over this many times before and will not bore you again. Suffice to say, unity will be the way to make this happen.