capncrunch

In your own words, please tell us what trade unionist means to you.

Reroute

Not everyone gets on the forum and even fewer would want to admit to sending in a DPA card, particularly now that it's obvious they are nothing more than a webboard and gathering place for non trade unionist represented by a USAPA attorney.

I think DPAs own weakness is going to be their undoing, regardless of what's posted here. Delta pilots want a real union, not a USAPA clone.

capncrunch

So the answer to his question is NO, you don't have proof.

Also, thank you for using the new ALPA supporter buzzword "Trade Unionist".

acl65pilot

Captn;

Simple a trade unionist and a trade union should have the goal of representing the entire trade, not just part of the spectrum. If you want to call piloting a trade, then it should be the goal of the trade's union to represent all of those employed in that trade. Ergo, ALPA has tried and is continuing to try to get all pilots engaged in the trade of piloting in to ALPA.

Trust me dealing with the issues between a mainline carrier and a regional counterpart and better dealt with inside of that "trade union" than from a challenge at the table with management. I have stated this ad nausem. It is the law of unintended consequence. I much prefer the sausage making that occurs at ALPA that to deal with it at the table with the company, where we would need to go to a court of law to get it settled. You have more certainty in the current process, and as a result your exclusivity as the sole bargaining agent here at DAL is under less risk of getting challenged.

Having a bunch of independent unions that are loosely tied though CAPA is not the way to go. Look long term and look at issues like Foreign ownership. Be honest and realize that the PAC arm of ALPA is the only "trade" affiliate that has a snow balls chance of dealing with this. Implode ALPA and then standby and watch. These independents will not seem as favorable as you think they are.

Reroute

No, that's not the answer to his question, I'm sure it is inside your head, but not in the real world. Have a great day.

capncrunch

??? No idea what you are talking about.

Let me help bring you up to speed. You made a false claim that people were asking for their cards to be returned from DPA and were not getting their request honored. You were asked to provide proof of such a claim and you did not.

Here is your quote:

Any proof of this? Nope.

Reroute

Someone committed to representing the interests of all members of a trade. That stands in stark contrast to the DPA's effort to fracture the piloting profession.

ALPA's a trade union, the DPA'ers do not advocate trade unionism, they want to pull up the ladder on pilots they deem unworthy, and fracture the voice of the piloting profession. Instead of focussing efforts on the vast majority of issues we agree on, the DPA'ers choose to divide us.

Reroute

Take the tin foil off your pointy head.

Reroute

I see that you edited your response. I was asked to post folks names, or have them post their names on the forum, I'm not, going to do that. That doesn't mean the claims are false.

Who knows, maybe one day DPA will return their cards, maybe that day will be when they have all the comm reps they promised, or a C&BLs written, or financial disclosure, ,or........ We'll see.

Reroute

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Any proof of this? Nope.[/QUOTE]

Are you claiming that DPA has a CA and F/O comm rep at every base like they promised?

DPA promise at 5% card return: The Communication Committee will consist of a Captain and First Officer representative at each pilot base.

DPA broken promise: the latest for NYC, similar at most bases.

August 26, 2010 @ 10:58 ET
Base Communication Representatives

When the NYC Base Communication Representatives have been selected, they will be announced here.