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02-25-2011, 08:50 AM
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Interesting. "Holding your leaders accountable is acceptable" OK.. as one voice in a chorus, exactly how does one do this?... Because.. they don't care what one man thinks... so "Monday morning quarterbacking" is really the only way you have of getting your point across since the leadership has already shown that they aren't interested in YOUR opinion... Quite the quandry you have set up here...
02-25-2011, 10:27 AM
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Carl;
I am not disagreeing with you. I am stating that it is very dangerous for ALPA to not support collective bargaining.
The reality is that if the unions win in WI, the Governor will bankrupt the state and then shed their contracts. It is a template of what is to come.
I am not disagreeing with you. I am stating that it is very dangerous for ALPA to not support collective bargaining.
The reality is that if the unions win in WI, the Governor will bankrupt the state and then shed their contracts. It is a template of what is to come.
Carl
02-25-2011, 10:41 AM
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They are NOT underpaid. That is a myth perpetuated by teacher's unions to deflect from the fact that they are demanding more than the taxpayers can pay.
Carl
02-25-2011, 10:49 AM
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Yes. Really.
Poor analogy. Running a red light is a mistake that could happen to anybody. A union that purposely tries to bust their OWN union is something altogether different. That's why ALPA can never again talk about the ideals of unionism without sounding like a hypocrite. Same as a school teacher being convicted of child sex abuse. It doesn't mean you can never work again, it just means you can't be around kids anymore. You forfeit that right when you violate the very essence of what you do for a living. That's a long way from running a red light.
A tax to paid for how? By our union dues of course.
Carl
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02-25-2011, 10:53 AM
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02-25-2011, 10:57 AM
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PAC money will only buy you a seat at the table. PAC money cannot purchase a spine once you are at that table.
Carl
02-25-2011, 11:02 AM
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Who would we rather be associated with when it comes to the rights of citizens and workers rights:
Collective bargaining and unions permitted:
Canada
Great Britian
Ireland
Germany
Australia
Collective Bargaining and unions illegal:
Qatar
Iran
China
Saudi Arabia
North Korea
UAE
What nations of the above have higher wages and living condition per capita? As a median? Which list would you choose to use to pick for a place to live?
Collective bargaining and unions permitted:
Canada
Great Britian
Ireland
Germany
Australia
Collective Bargaining and unions illegal:
Qatar
Iran
China
Saudi Arabia
North Korea
UAE
What nations of the above have higher wages and living condition per capita? As a median? Which list would you choose to use to pick for a place to live?
Unions that don't try to bust their own unions:
SWAPA
APA
IPA
or Unions that do try to bust their own unions:
ALPA
Carl
02-25-2011, 11:20 AM
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Well kemosabe, your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. No where in my post did I say "benefits" don't cost money. I said, I don't think a six figure compensation for a college educated/post masters individual is alarming in the least. You made the comment about "total compensation" to days of work.
Typical hypocrisy on this board. Let's complain about all other union members/professions, let's use their total compensation and days of work to infer our own out of context conclusions. At the same time lets compare OUR own hourly wage with that of Southwest and **** and moan about ALPA. Lets NOT use our "total compensation" package (as you proudly noted about MN teachers) and compare them to the rest of the industry. Let's not use our claim/note/pbgc payouts and compare that to UAL, USAIR. Lets not use our equity, out of Section 6 pay raises and compare them to nobody.... Let's complain about Scope give ways under the threat of 1113c contracts, but then suport the government of MN for union busting. Yep lets just all sit on this board and ***** and moan about ALPA and all the other greedy/communist unions out there. Proud day in America folks, proud day indeed..............
Typical hypocrisy on this board. Let's complain about all other union members/professions, let's use their total compensation and days of work to infer our own out of context conclusions. At the same time lets compare OUR own hourly wage with that of Southwest and **** and moan about ALPA. Lets NOT use our "total compensation" package (as you proudly noted about MN teachers) and compare them to the rest of the industry. Let's not use our claim/note/pbgc payouts and compare that to UAL, USAIR. Lets not use our equity, out of Section 6 pay raises and compare them to nobody.... Let's complain about Scope give ways under the threat of 1113c contracts, but then suport the government of MN for union busting. Yep lets just all sit on this board and ***** and moan about ALPA and all the other greedy/communist unions out there. Proud day in America folks, proud day indeed..............
02-25-2011, 11:24 AM
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Yes. Really.
Poor analogy. Running a red light is a mistake that could happen to anybody. A union that purposely tries to bust their OWN union is something altogether different. That's why ALPA can never again talk about the ideals of unionism without sounding like a hypocrite. Same as a school teacher being convicted of child sex abuse. It doesn't mean you can never work again, it just means you can't be around kids anymore. You forfeit that right when you violate the very essence of what you do for a living. That's a long way from running a red light.
A tax to paid for how? By our union dues of course.
Carl
Poor analogy. Running a red light is a mistake that could happen to anybody. A union that purposely tries to bust their OWN union is something altogether different. That's why ALPA can never again talk about the ideals of unionism without sounding like a hypocrite. Same as a school teacher being convicted of child sex abuse. It doesn't mean you can never work again, it just means you can't be around kids anymore. You forfeit that right when you violate the very essence of what you do for a living. That's a long way from running a red light.
A tax to paid for how? By our union dues of course.
Carl
Carl;
You're in a mood to hand out the spankings today. Well here is how you spank.
YouTube - Playmate Kimberly Phillips Teaches The Art of Spanking (with Jennifer Pershing)
02-25-2011, 11:46 AM
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Carl;
You're in a mood to hand out the spankings today. Well here is how you spank.
YouTube - Playmate Kimberly Phillips Teaches The Art of Spanking (with Jennifer Pershing)
You're in a mood to hand out the spankings today. Well here is how you spank.
YouTube - Playmate Kimberly Phillips Teaches The Art of Spanking (with Jennifer Pershing)
Carl
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