Delta Pilots Association
#4471
So there's not really any point to providing input to our reps, right? I mean, if we can only get things done by serving in some official ALPA capacity, then either all 12,000+ of us need to be serving (who's going to fly the airplanes?), or those of us who are not serving in an official capacity need to shut up and quit Monday morning quarterbacking. Is that what you're saying?
Carl
#4472
So who gets to determine where to draw the line between providing input/holding leaders accountable and Monday morning quarterbacking? If there is "ZERO basis" to justify a different approach, then what's the point of providing input if it differs from the current path? Still sounds to me like you think any of us who disagree with the current path should either shut up and color and leave everything to our elected reps who know better, or do everything ourselves. I don't see any room in your argument for the "bottom up" input/accountability process ALPA is supposed to be using.
#4473
I'm not. I think your thoughts have been corrupted. You should have stayed with your gut instincts.
Why don't you dig a little deeper, my thoughts are not corrupted, but thanks for the jab.
While you may not hold an official title at this point in time, I think it's quite obvious that your intentions are not to be "just a line guy" when it comes to ALPA stuff.
#4475
2. ALPA told us they would fight hard for the FT/DT rules...then utterly caved in and now back an increase in two person crew duty times by up to 2 additional hours. But they did have their "seat at the table".
Carl
#4476
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From ALPA
I've been on the sidelines, but here's something pushing me toward DPA. From ALPA:
The 53,000 members of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l, stand together with the public-sector workers of Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, and anywhere collective bargaining rights are threatened. The ability to join as a group to negotiate working conditions with an employer is a fundamental tenet of a free democracy.
Teachers, police officers, firefighters, nurses, and other public employees are the bedrock of our society. They deserve our respect and recognition for the essential work they do. Like all workers, they also deserve the right to organize their members and bargain on their behalf.
Many of the basic work conditions every American takes for granted, including retirement plans, employer-supported health care, the five-day work week, and paid holidays, came as a direct result of advances made by organized labor. Whether or not they belong to a union, every working American enjoys benefits won through collective bargaining. The current anti-labor backlash perpetuated by some cynical politicians ignores our history and cheapens the collaboration between labor and management that has created the most prosperous, best-educated workforce in the world.
As we have seen too often in our own industry, pay, benefits, and work rules can change, and not always for the better. But we firmly believe that any changes in employment deserve to be negotiated directly with an employer, not arbitrarily imposed by government or the courts.
We urge all ALPA members to support their union colleagues and take a stand with them for the American principles of fairness, equity, and justice.
I could not disagree with this more. The WI teachers are public workers who want to retain collective bargaining rights to negotiate with....wait for it....public workers. The people footing the bill for what agreements are made are the public taxpayer. This is not the same as working with a corporation. The fact that my dues go to support this kind of cr@# is another reason to consider alternatives. I would hope DPA would not act in such a manner. Naive? I hope not.
Teachers, police officers, firefighters, nurses, and other public employees are the bedrock of our society. They deserve our respect and recognition for the essential work they do. Like all workers, they also deserve the right to organize their members and bargain on their behalf.
Many of the basic work conditions every American takes for granted, including retirement plans, employer-supported health care, the five-day work week, and paid holidays, came as a direct result of advances made by organized labor. Whether or not they belong to a union, every working American enjoys benefits won through collective bargaining. The current anti-labor backlash perpetuated by some cynical politicians ignores our history and cheapens the collaboration between labor and management that has created the most prosperous, best-educated workforce in the world.
As we have seen too often in our own industry, pay, benefits, and work rules can change, and not always for the better. But we firmly believe that any changes in employment deserve to be negotiated directly with an employer, not arbitrarily imposed by government or the courts.
We urge all ALPA members to support their union colleagues and take a stand with them for the American principles of fairness, equity, and justice.
#4477
I've been on the sidelines, but here's something pushing me toward DPA. From ALPA:
The 53,000 members of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l, stand together with the public-sector workers of Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, and anywhere collective bargaining rights are threatened. The ability to join as a group to negotiate working conditions with an employer is a fundamental tenet of a free democracy.
Teachers, police officers, firefighters, nurses, and other public employees are the bedrock of our society. They deserve our respect and recognition for the essential work they do. Like all workers, they also deserve the right to organize their members and bargain on their behalf.
Many of the basic work conditions every American takes for granted, including retirement plans, employer-supported health care, the five-day work week, and paid holidays, came as a direct result of advances made by organized labor. Whether or not they belong to a union, every working American enjoys benefits won through collective bargaining. The current anti-labor backlash perpetuated by some cynical politicians ignores our history and cheapens the collaboration between labor and management that has created the most prosperous, best-educated workforce in the world.
As we have seen too often in our own industry, pay, benefits, and work rules can change, and not always for the better. But we firmly believe that any changes in employment deserve to be negotiated directly with an employer, not arbitrarily imposed by government or the courts.
We urge all ALPA members to support their union colleagues and take a stand with them for the American principles of fairness, equity, and justice.
I could not disagree with this more. The WI teachers are public workers who want to retain collective bargaining rights to negotiate with....wait for it....public workers. The people footing the bill for what agreements are made are the public taxpayer. This is not the same as working with a corporation. The fact that my dues go to support this kind of cr@# is another reason to consider alternatives. I would hope DPA would not act in such a manner. Naive? I hope not.Teachers, police officers, firefighters, nurses, and other public employees are the bedrock of our society. They deserve our respect and recognition for the essential work they do. Like all workers, they also deserve the right to organize their members and bargain on their behalf.
Many of the basic work conditions every American takes for granted, including retirement plans, employer-supported health care, the five-day work week, and paid holidays, came as a direct result of advances made by organized labor. Whether or not they belong to a union, every working American enjoys benefits won through collective bargaining. The current anti-labor backlash perpetuated by some cynical politicians ignores our history and cheapens the collaboration between labor and management that has created the most prosperous, best-educated workforce in the world.
As we have seen too often in our own industry, pay, benefits, and work rules can change, and not always for the better. But we firmly believe that any changes in employment deserve to be negotiated directly with an employer, not arbitrarily imposed by government or the courts.
We urge all ALPA members to support their union colleagues and take a stand with them for the American principles of fairness, equity, and justice.
Carl
#4478
Carl, its another red-letter day! I am in complete agreement with you. Heads should role over this one....
#4479
#4480
Agreed, but Jesse they are talking about Collective Bargaining rights, not what they actually get. They are defending the right to organize and bargain collectively.
Big difference than stating that they should all get free medical and pensions without modification.
Big difference than stating that they should all get free medical and pensions without modification.
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